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Title: Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SYSTEM aka (Cyberpyrot) on April 02, 2008, 07:13:39 PM
Are you tired of those complicated Microcontrollers or those expensive ebay kits well here at acidmods we say :censored: em. We are tired of people stealing our work to try and make a quick buck... So to all you Ebay scalpers Kiss my ASSidMods  :taunt: you got served...Here is the Xbox 360 Rapid Fire Tutorial. In this tutorial all you will need is a button and some wire..

This does not work on the newer Wireless CG version of board or on the newer Wired CL version board

Here is the wiring Ground on LED 1 to Momentary Switch to middle pin on trigger!!! That Easy!!!


(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi167.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu136%2Fkingmike_001%2Ftest.jpg&hash=ffea7938cee08e1c8c65ea4d007fa67a1d68b9f6)


 

You will most likly hear many things about this most of it will be from the scalpers trying to justify charging you $30 for a simple $2 chip and some wire..

My chip is way faster then that... Not true we tested is against our 50Ns code and out 30Ns code anything faster and the controller sees it as full on and you get irratic responces...

That new method will fry your controller.... Altho we have not tested it for long extensive times from the process we are doing and the basic electronics applying ground to the potentiometer of the trigger wil not cause any damage to it as there is always a ground pressent to the trigger it is just a variable ground...

Unlike our SpitFire these people selling this stuff on ebay are scalpers we have always believed our code and knowledge should be free to the public and when we developed the spitfire we wanted to give you guys added features like combo's and mapping buttons not just rapid fire.. Now that every one in the world can have rapid fire with just basic stuff from radioshack we will wait here patiently for the accusations to fly  :rofl:  
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SYSTEM aka (Cyberpyrot) on July 27, 2008, 06:33:26 PM
KingMike will edit this with the images needed... We have been holding back on this for months now but it is time to stop the bull :censored: theives making money off of our members...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 27, 2008, 06:46:34 PM
There's no way... Can't wait to see this one, I may actually do this then...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SYSTEM aka (Cyberpyrot) on July 27, 2008, 06:53:33 PM
Image Posted...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 27, 2008, 06:59:44 PM
There's no way it's that easy...no freakin' way... I'm trying this asap when I get home later in the week
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: TW1NKY on July 27, 2008, 07:09:37 PM
I'm going to get a switch to try this out. Thanks, this seems rediculously easy :hifive:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: kink192 on July 27, 2008, 07:39:47 PM
there is no way  this can be possible, the led ground would have to be alternating on and off for it to work and i dont think it does that...does it?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on July 27, 2008, 07:49:23 PM
Will i'm god than The Great King made it work


PS : Make sure the Wire the gose to the LED is the LED that is on the right port

So for EX if the controller on port 2 wire the ground to the LED on left insted of right

Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 27, 2008, 08:04:47 PM
I still say no way until that YouTube vid works o_O


EDITEDITEDITEDIT:
No. :censored:ing. Way. It WORKS?! I LOL'D at you putting the controller together =P But, sadly, I'm just as fast with a pistol using just my finger. Imagine using the rapid fire then. Awesome. I guess I'll do this when I get home, that's pretty sweet.

I'm still..._kinda_ doubting it until I try for myself...it just seems...way too easy...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: kink192 on July 27, 2008, 08:13:49 PM
omg...i cant believe it...how???you guys have no idea how flabbergasted i am, kingmike_os, you have earned the title of god...same with system[i dont know your real name] wow...im just blown away dude
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Ch4rL13 on July 27, 2008, 08:40:07 PM
amazing....
i was about to spend like 30 bux on a kit then i see this, AMAZING
i just need a switch now, im so doing it
thx for releasing this

btw 2 things, why did you wait so long to release?
and is this any different then the ones with the kit? like is the kit version going to make the gun shoot faster?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: gameroms on July 27, 2008, 09:44:16 PM
i will say some kits shoot faster than others, on ebay.

but i have not compared this yet.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Nemesis on July 28, 2008, 02:23:02 AM
HELL NO! no way..no way..no way, wtf? seriously thats it? i really cannot believe this, after spending a whole load of cash on parts for different methods of rapid fire all i needed was this? this is amazing. im just astonished....thanks so much






Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: zbblanton on July 28, 2008, 02:42:45 AM
so how exacly does this work?

does the led just pulse so fast we can see it?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Luke on July 28, 2008, 03:17:03 AM
what type of led is that can i get a close picture?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Nemesis on July 28, 2008, 03:44:21 AM
what type of led is that can i get a close picture?

its no special type of led from what i can see, its just wired to the led on the board used to show which controller number it is
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: 4dP on July 28, 2008, 05:48:18 AM
wtf i knew of this for a while hmmm
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SYSTEM aka (Cyberpyrot) on July 28, 2008, 05:50:08 AM
wtf i knew of this for a while hmmm

So did we

New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
« on: April 02, 2008, 10:13:39 pm »
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ifrgtmyname on July 28, 2008, 06:33:55 AM
You lot truley are the best in the business and I am glad you have gone for the open source approach. Just one thing I don't get: where have you soldered the wire onto the LED? on the video it just doesn't show the second wire (or at least not that I can see) anyways I have a spare controller so i'll give this a go :).

thanks again

great work  :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ApheX on July 28, 2008, 06:44:08 AM
this is a brillant mod guys! Nice way to stick it to the ebayers! i might have to mod my mates controller (i don't have a xbox 360, more sony guy, lol)  :tup:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: DarkHawken on July 28, 2008, 07:25:02 AM
whats the difference between rapid fire and spit fire?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SYSTEM aka (Cyberpyrot) on July 28, 2008, 07:33:12 AM
whats the difference between rapid fire and spit fire?

Spit fire you can write combo's to the buttons like (X,X,Y,B,A,X)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SYSTEM aka (Cyberpyrot) on July 28, 2008, 07:34:55 AM
You lot truley are the best in the business and I am glad you have gone for the open source approach. Just one thing I don't get: where have you soldered the wire onto the LED? on the video it just doesn't show the second wire (or at least not that I can see) anyways I have a spare controller so i'll give this a go :).

thanks again

great work  :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:

Solder to the ground side of the LED to point on the far left..
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: kink192 on July 28, 2008, 08:25:38 AM
i still dont see how this is possible, please just tell me, does the led ground pulse at all? thats the only way this would make sense to me...please answer so i can get some sleep tonight lol
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SYSTEM aka (Cyberpyrot) on July 28, 2008, 08:32:49 AM
i still dont see how this is possible, please just tell me, does the led ground pulse at all? thats the only way this would make sense to me...please answer so i can get some sleep tonight lol

are you familure with PWM (Pulse Width Modulation)?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 08:55:40 AM
Nope. What's it do? o_o
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ifrgtmyname on July 28, 2008, 09:00:49 AM
hmmm, I just broke a good controller, and then the working bit of a bad one :laughing: oh well, neither were complete controllers...

I just cant seem to be able to solder onto the LED, first time was with a 016 model and the LED dropped off during soldering, second time was with a 026 model where the LED was easy to solder to but the LED stopped working...

any advice?

thanks
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: TaSlAyEr on July 28, 2008, 09:02:54 AM
nice shi- i have to say WOW IT WAS THAT SIMPLE AWWW SHI-
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on July 28, 2008, 09:16:48 AM
yes to solder to the led you want to do it fast. now if hold the solder there too much it will take the casing of the led and will burn out on the next power on.

they way i do it get your wire and dip it in flux also have just a bit soder on the tip of your iron already ..

and all you do hold the wire with the flux at the end next to the led touch the led and wire with
your iron with just a bit soder on it and walah that's it.

you shoud not fight with it it should take in just a sec thats it.

Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ifrgtmyname on July 28, 2008, 09:21:05 AM
yes to solder to the led you want to do it fast. now if hold the solder there too much it will take the casing of the led and will burn out on the next power on.

they way i do it get your wire and dip it in flux also have just a bit soder on the tip of your iron already ..

and all you do hold the wire with the flux at the end next to the led touch the led and wire with
your iron with just a bit soder on it and walah that's it.

you shoud not fight with it it should take in just a sec thats it.



thanks for the advice, i'll give that a go now, I was suprised when the LED broke the second time though because i literally touched the LED for a second.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ifrgtmyname on July 28, 2008, 10:18:11 AM
fantastic you lot, just successfully modded  :drunk:

does anyone else notice this mod does not work when the controller is charging?

thanks again, will post vid soon...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bullet Pulse on July 28, 2008, 10:55:30 AM
Hey, im a noob. Can you give me the links for the radioshack parts I will need?
I have a good soldering gun, wire, flux braid, and solder.
And im picking up a torx t8 security bit this evening.   

I really dont want to :censored: up my only controller, so let me know how I can avoid that.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 11:03:42 AM
Hey, im a noob. Can you give me the links for the radioshack parts I will need?
I have a good soldering gun, wire, flux braid, and solder.
You don't need anything else except a button, and that's based on personal preference.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: bluedog on July 28, 2008, 11:06:17 AM
SO you have to solder it to the positive of the the SMD light 1 on the controller? Whatif the controller is controller 2?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bullet Pulse on July 28, 2008, 11:13:35 AM
Can you link me to a button please.
And how do you put it on the bottom of the controller?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 11:27:09 AM
SO you have to solder it to the positive of the the SMD light 1 on the controller? Whatif the controller is controller 2?
If you read the thread...
You put solder the 1 wire to the GND of the led. If you're player 1, it goes to the player 1 led. If you're player 2, it goes to the player 2 led, etc. Hope this helps.

Can you link me to a button please.
And how do you put it on the bottom of the controller?
Give me a sec and I'll link you to a few buttons there.
To put it on the bottom of the controller, drill a hole and, well, glue it there..
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bullet Pulse on July 28, 2008, 11:28:45 AM
Thank you very much
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Whazup on July 28, 2008, 11:30:12 AM
Will this work for all series controllers? , Great post!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on July 28, 2008, 11:31:39 AM
This Mod dosen't work on new style controller . as i tested it right now .

so as of now old style controller only i'm working on the new style i will post my result
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 11:32:18 AM
Ok, here's some buttons I pulled up. You can use ANY button you want. These are just some I pulled up from the website.

Link (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3159591&cp=2032058&f=Taxonomy%2FRSK%2F2032058&categoryId=2032058&kwCatId=2032058&kw=button&parentPage=search)
Link (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062508&cp=2032058&f=Taxonomy%2FRSK%2F2032058&categoryId=2032058&kwCatId=2032058&kw=button&parentPage=search)
Link (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062496&cp=2032058&f=Taxonomy%2FRSK%2F2032058&categoryId=2032058&kwCatId=2032058&kw=button&parentPage=search)
Link (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062510&cp=2032058&f=Taxonomy%2FRSK%2F2032058&categoryId=2032058&kwCatId=2032058&kw=button&parentPage=search)

Like I said, you can use ANY button you want, you don't need to use any of these, or any from Radioshack for that matter. You just need A button. Hope that helped!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bullet Pulse on July 28, 2008, 11:37:34 AM
How do you know if you have an "old" controller or "new" controller?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Xboxexpert on July 28, 2008, 11:39:37 AM
Listen up.  I'm Xboxexpert and I run www.thexboxexpert.com which sells professionally modified Rapid Fire Controllers.   I was ecstatic to see this post until I actually tried it.  My results are in the YouTube video below.  I've also tried it on a NEW Style controller with the same results....IT DOESN'T WORK.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj-3ptc6XYo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj-3ptc6XYo)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 11:48:09 AM
Youuuuuu :censored:ed up. Regardless of whether it would rapid fire or not, it still connects the gnd and trigger signal. Either way it would shoot. You screwed up, so stop shooting it down and calling it a fake when you don't know what you're doing.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Xboxexpert on July 28, 2008, 11:50:54 AM
Your kidding right?  Its connecting to a SOLID ground not a pulsing ground.  Yes, your correct in one point, the new style controllers will fire ONE SHOT if this was wired up.  It will not fire rapid pulsed shots.  To tell me I don't know what I'm talking about when I clearly just showed your administrator up is absurd.  Check your facts buster.

If this was the case then in theory the GROUND for the complete controller would be pulsed.  Meaning all that is connected to the "ground" of the controller would rapid fire.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 11:55:11 AM
Listen :censored:head even on an old controller it would still work, STFU and get outta here.


On a lighter note, congrats Mike, it made the front page of Xbox-Scene. http://xbox-scene.com/ (http://xbox-scene.com/)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Xboxexpert on July 28, 2008, 11:57:00 AM
Listen :censored:head even on an old controller it would still work, STFU and get outta here.


On a lighter note, congrats Mike, it made the front page of Xbox-Scene. http://xbox-scene.com/ (http://xbox-scene.com/)

I'd like for you to stop calling me out on being wrong and actually try this before you tarnish your name in public.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ifrgtmyname on July 28, 2008, 11:58:23 AM
Your kidding right?  Its connecting to a SOLID ground not a pulsing ground.  Yes, your correct in one point, the new style controllers will fire ONE SHOT if this was wired up.  It will not fire rapid pulsed shots.  To tell me I don't know what I'm talking about when I clearly just showed your administrator up is absurd.  Check your facts buster.

If this was the case then in theory the GROUND for the complete controller would be pulsed.  Meaning all that is connected to the "ground" of the controller would rapid fire.

if it were a non pulsed ground surely one shot would still be fired?

on another note, my favourite switch is this one:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Standard-Push-to-Make-Switch-Momentary-Action-RED_W0QQitemZ310063661787QQihZ021QQcategoryZ58169QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

its big and red but does not bury too deeply
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 11:59:10 AM
My names "tarnished" enough. I'd like you to stop :censored:ing because you screwed up.
if it were a non pulsed ground surely one shot would still be fired?
Yes, EITHER WAY, 1 shot would still be fired.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Xboxexpert on July 28, 2008, 12:00:13 PM
Your are correct on the NEW controllers ONE shot is fired. 
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ifrgtmyname on July 28, 2008, 12:01:23 PM
Your are correct on the NEW controllers ONE shot is fired. 


not on your video
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 12:03:24 PM
Your are correct on the NEW controllers ONE shot is fired. 
I am so sick of you. YES it will fire. Finally you agree on something, huh? In YOUR VIDEO nothing fired. YOU SCREWED UP. STOP :censored:ing saying it's fake because YOU screwed up. DON'T even try to claim you have an old controller either, on the old one, EITHER WAY, SOMETHING FIRES.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Xboxexpert on July 28, 2008, 12:03:51 PM


not on your video

My video was the old style controller.  On the Video they use Video 1 is a Old Style yet Video 2 is an New Style?!?!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 12:05:12 PM
You're just digging yourself a deeper hole. You can't get out as-is, too.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Nemesis on July 28, 2008, 12:07:02 PM
the fact the you are owner of that site in which creates rapid fire controllers for customers using i would imagine a PIC chip, and the way in which you spoke within the video,the air quotes at around 46 seconds into the video just demonstrates an impression that you are out to accuse it is fake, in which we all knew in time it would come:

we will wait here patiently for the accusations to fly  :rofl:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on July 28, 2008, 12:07:52 PM
you want a video with out cutting i give you one.

and i never say it works on all models.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 12:08:50 PM
It's good to know people have my back on this one. Xboxphailer, you're wrong
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Xboxexpert on July 28, 2008, 12:10:28 PM
You're just digging yourself a deeper hole. You can't get out as-is, too.

Let me worry about my status.  This is what I just did RIGHT NOW...Connected a wire to the Player 1 LED (OLD STYLE CONTROLLER) and just tapped the wire to the Middle Trigger pont and it did nothing.  Also on a NEW STYLE CONTROLLER it fires one shot NOT RAPID
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ifrgtmyname on July 28, 2008, 12:11:13 PM
My video was the old style controller.  On the Video they use Video 1 is a New Style yet Video 2 is an Old Style?!?!

ah ok i re-read your post. I have this mod working right now with an old controller, recheck your wiring, you might have accidentally cold soldered somewhere and please don't use sarcasm like in the video, kingmike has no reason to lie as he makes no profit
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Xboxexpert on July 28, 2008, 12:11:49 PM
you want a video with out cutting i give you one.

and i never say it works on all models.


All models would be New Style and Old Style...In your videos your using BOTH new and old style controllers,  unless I'm wrong the OLD Stlyes have the little nub on the pad's...the NEW Styles dont have the nub its a full circle for the pads.  I'm just saying I have a NEW and OLD style on my desk in front of me wired up and I get no results even close to rapid fire.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 12:13:00 PM
You do realize it's you against a whole site, right? And you're accusing an ADMIN of being a liar, correct? And let me get this straight. You run a site and you make rapid fire controllers for people, right? It FIGURES. Just stfu before you really piss off an admin.

All models would be New Style and Old Style...Thats basically it.
You're forgetting about WIRED controllers too. He's right just give it UP.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Nemesis on July 28, 2008, 12:14:57 PM
the video xboxexpert made indeed looks promising in which to accuse the mod is fake, but tact switches have "terminals" or as they may be called, im sure you know this, if the wiring of these "terminals" to the switch is wrong, then the mod will not work. i know this from experience, i have done a different rapid fire mod in which i got these wires wrong and did not work, swapped it and there you go.

EDIT: i dont make this up, i simply pass on what i learn from others.

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?s=16a71f02ff0269d36d64bb872a03999d&showtopic=653455&st=0 (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?s=16a71f02ff0269d36d64bb872a03999d&showtopic=653455&st=0)

scroll down to above where the cg code is. better yet ill quote.

"Switch/push button:
The wire from the 1k that goes to pin 4 goes to one side
One of the wires from pin 1 goes to the other
(if you're using the tact switch each side of the switch has a neg and pos)"

Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 12:15:54 PM
That too :taunt:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Xboxexpert on July 28, 2008, 12:17:09 PM
You do realize it's you against a whole site, right? And you're accusing an ADMIN of being a liar, correct? And let me get this straight. You run a site and you make rapid fire controllers for people, right? It FIGURES. Just stfu before you really piss off an admin.
You're forgetting about WIRED controllers too. He's right just give it UP.

Now your talking about WIRED CONTROLLER?!?!?!!?  In his VIDEO he's using wireless Controllers....now your just going off topic!  I just COMPLETELY bypassed the Tact switch and went direct with the controller on.  In theory it would AUTOMATICALLY "Rapid fire" when I touched the wire direct from the LED to the Middle controller leg....NEW STYLE - 1 SHOT  ---  OLD STYLE - NOTHING...

Please correct me if I'm WRONG here!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 12:18:54 PM
You sir, are STUPID. He said "I never said it works on ALL controllers" and you said that's only new and old version. You forgot about the wired controllers. This mod would work on them too possibly. Like he said, he never said it works on ALL controllers.

Please correct me if I'm WRONG here!
You've been wrong, and we have been correcting you. :taunt:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Nemesis on July 28, 2008, 12:20:28 PM
Now your talking about WIRED CONTROLLER?!?!?!!?  In his VIDEO he's using wireless Controllers....now your just going off topic!

you are forgetting the many different version boards there are on both wired and wireless controller. there are 2 wired version boards and 2 wireless version boards, these are all the model controllers. kingmike stated that he did not say it worked on all these version boards
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Xboxexpert on July 28, 2008, 12:20:46 PM
You sir, are STUPID. He said "I never said it works on ALL controllers" and you said that's only new and old version. You forgot about the wired controllers. This mod would work on them too possibly. Like he said, he never said it works on ALL controllers.

I really don't understand where your getting off calling me names when I haven't attacked you once.  Just get off the keyboard and go try this yourself...then give me your input.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 12:22:08 PM
READ THE :censored:ING TOPIC. I won't be :censored:ing home until the end of the week, when I WILL BE DOING THIS.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Xboxexpert on July 28, 2008, 12:23:06 PM
you are forgetting the many different version boards there are on both wired and wireless controller. there are 2 wired version boards and 2 wireless version boards, these are all the model controllers. kingmike stated that he did not say it worked on all these version boards

Okay...You've got a good point...I've got a whole box of about 20 brand new controllers...I'm just going to sit here opening each one and trying this until I get one to work....In theory I'm really going to stop after like 5 though.

edit:
READ THE :censored:ING TOPIC. I won't be :censored:ing home until the end of the week, when I WILL BE DOING THIS.

Okay then from someone who JUST TRIED it to someone who ISNT EVEN HOME OR HAS ACCESS TO A CONTROLLER...Please stop talking.

Kicks: DON'T DOUBLE POST.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 12:25:00 PM
See? You were wrong. I said that, and you said you were right. Now more people are saying it, and you finally admit you're WRONG. >_>;;
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Nemesis on July 28, 2008, 12:26:10 PM
Okay...You've got a good point...I've got a whole box of about 20 brand new controllers...I'm just going to sit here opening each one and trying this until I get one to work....In theory I'm really going to stop after like 5 though.

you can check if the controller if an old style board before opening it, under the batter terminal if it says "tp19" then its an old style board, something like that, let me double check
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Xboxexpert on July 28, 2008, 12:27:14 PM
Old Style I used TP19
New Style I used TP26
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 12:28:10 PM
you can check if the controller if an old style board before opening it, under the batter terminal if it says "tp19" then its an old style board
I'm guessing TP23 means new style then? I've got 2 new here then, and a 3rd unknown at home. I'll do all 3.

Old Style I used TP19
New Style I used TP26
What? Ok the 2 controllers here I have, 1 I see TP23 and TP21, the other I see TP23. Which are they?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Xboxexpert on July 28, 2008, 12:29:29 PM
I'm guessing TP23 means new style then? I've got 2 new here then, and a 3rd unknown at home. I'll do all 3.

I just decipher by the style of pad's used for the buttons and the layout of the back chipsets.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 12:31:04 PM
Can you give an example then? I don't think I've seen an old one, so I don't know the difference in looks. 'Thanks'...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Nemesis on July 28, 2008, 12:32:28 PM
(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi196.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa209%2FNemesis_14%2FMatrixWirelessBoard.jpg&hash=1514e832baafbe1f1800269cbbfc07e3db73023c)

(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi196.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa209%2FNemesis_14%2FCGWirelessBoard.jpg&hash=b54e4a06225179a950f7a23de9b2c431e11979ad)

taken from here - http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=618909&st=15 (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=618909&st=15)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Xboxexpert on July 28, 2008, 12:33:38 PM
OLD 'MATRIX' VERSION TOP

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OLD 'MATRIX' VERSION BOTTOM

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Pictures provided by RDC (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=618909 (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=618909))

Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 12:34:48 PM
Oh I get it. Thanks. I think I have all new then >_>;; Damn, looks like I may be heading to Gamestop soon :taunt:

EDIT: No, I lied. I've got 1 old and 1 new sitting here, I'll try it on both when I get home (probably Saturday)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Xboxexpert on July 28, 2008, 12:36:44 PM
Oh I get it. Thanks. I think I have all new then >_>;; Damn, looks like I may be heading to Gamestop soon :taunt:

Yea man,  I wasnt attacking you I've as of this post tried this on 5 controllers and have had nothing like the display of rapid fire in both videos.  Lets get some input on the controller that the posted used.  Some hard core high def pictures of solder points and controller model.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on July 28, 2008, 12:39:57 PM

Video It should be up in few mins..  any way i have one thing to say you got a old controller try this
if it works than good you save money. if it did not work than buy kit form this guy help him out
with his sales.
One more can i say this works i tested it on 2 diff old style controller i did not have a new style till
this morning i tested it and  it don't work on new style.


Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 12:40:19 PM
I edited my post, I've got an old and a new, and a 3rd controller at home. I'll try all of them. One will work. And yes I realize you weren't attacking me, it's the fact you're accusing an ADMIN of being a liar...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SYSTEM aka (Cyberpyrot) on July 28, 2008, 12:48:53 PM

Video It should be up in few mins..  any way i have one thing to say you got a old controller try this
if it works than good you save money. if it did not work than buy kit form this guy help him out
with his sales.
One more can i say this works i tested it on 2 diff old style controller i did not have a new style till
this morning i tested it and  it don't work on new style.




Also I just talked to cyberpyrot and he is taking an intrest in this.. He said we will have it working on all controllers in a few days...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Nemesis on July 28, 2008, 12:49:55 PM
that video made me ROFL, awesome
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Xboxexpert on July 28, 2008, 12:59:24 PM
that video made me ROFL, awesome

I get no results with this old stlye controller that I used....I'll keep an eye on the topic and see if anyone else gets it to work like you did...  :dntknw:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Nemesis on July 28, 2008, 01:02:01 PM
I get no results with this old stlye controller that I used....I'll keep an eye on the topic and see if anyone else gets it to work like you did...  :dntknw:
try swapping the wires on the switch around, its easy to get it mixed up especially if it is a 4 pin tact switch which looks like it is from what i can see in the video. if it is 4 pin then instead of soldering one wire to the left pin and one wire to the right pin, then solder one the left pin, and then one to the pin below it, if that doesn't work swap it around, use different combinations.

EDIT:

(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi196.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faa209%2FNemesis_14%2FUntitled-6.jpg&hash=971dcaba42e77c40b114572d21d29e885f3e00f6)

as shown in my amazingly drawn picture, try solder one wire to the Left pin, and then the other to the Bottom Left pin, if it doesn't work then swap them around. i personally believe that is the only reason it doesn't work for you as i don't think soldering may be the issue, just next time don't go accusing a mod is fake without having proper evidence to back you up.

Nemesis out.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Xboxexpert on July 28, 2008, 01:13:19 PM
In theory this should work on all buttons....ie, making left trigger rapid fire....maybe even a B A X Y button...or LB and RB?... :dntknw:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Crazy Germans on July 28, 2008, 01:19:14 PM
alright.  I just tried this on an old style controller with a SPST switch.  It was actually one of the ones that the guy showed in his list of radioshack buttons.  I know I soldered it properly, to the middle point for the right trigger, and the ground on the 1st led, and I was usin it as 1st player, but it just wont work.  Any ideas?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ifrgtmyname on July 28, 2008, 01:24:55 PM
right now, i am having similar problems and I had it working less than an hour ago, try resoldering to the LED, I think that is my problem, the LED ground is such a small area to solder to
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Crazy Germans on July 28, 2008, 01:28:32 PM
It's attached to the led just fine, but i dunno I'll try it again just cuz
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 01:32:38 PM
You might have a new board.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Crazy Germans on July 28, 2008, 01:40:05 PM
nope it's an old board.  TP19.  I'm sure of it.  Only weird thing is that the big chip looking thing on the back with the silver shield.  Well, mine doesn't have a silver shield, but it looks blue.  I don't know if that could have anything to do with it, but it's for sure an old board.  And I just tried resoldering it but still doesn't work
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: redryno1221 on July 28, 2008, 01:45:18 PM
Holy s :censored: t after all the work with pic microcontrollers and 555 timer and all we really needed was a piece of wire and 2 switches? what the hell! Nice Find!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: IDontGetHowtoWire on July 28, 2008, 01:48:21 PM
So I see that it says on the Forums homepage:
Quote
New Rapid Fire for all 360 controllers without Microchip!!!! This simple method only needs a wire and a button go ----->Here<----- This is so easy anyone can do it and you can get all the parts from your local radioshack!!!!

So it already works on all controllers?  That was fast.  :clap: :rofl:

-- Hope to see this available on new style soon.  
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ifrgtmyname on July 28, 2008, 02:10:18 PM
It's attached to the led just fine, but i dunno I'll try it again just cuz

after resoldering mine about 10 times it started to work again!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 02:12:38 PM
So I see that it says on the Forums homepage:
So it already works on all controllers?  That was fast.  :clap: :rofl:

-- Hope to see this available on new style soon.  
I see we have another person who just skims through...
No, it does not work on all controllers. As of now it's only on the old ones.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Crazy Germans on July 28, 2008, 02:13:27 PM
could it maybe have something to do with having to solder to the led vs. the pad.  Or you can't solder it to both or something.  Idk....  Anybody with some knowledge wanna shed some light on this?  Cuz I'm for sure not that person  :help:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bullet Pulse on July 28, 2008, 02:19:38 PM
I dont think I will be even trying this until we have some better results.
I dont feel like breaking my only controller  :dntknw:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 02:23:20 PM
You won't break the controller...you can't mess it up in ANY way...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Ch4rL13 on July 28, 2008, 02:24:07 PM
it only works on the old ones?
how do i no if my controller is a old one?
i just bough it like a month ago so i guess it a new one ehh?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: IDontGetHowtoWire on July 28, 2008, 02:25:10 PM
I see we have another person who just skims through...
No, it does not work on all controllers. As of now it's only on the old ones.

"So it already works on all controllers?  That was fast. " Is sarcasim for those who don't know. :winker:
I know that, thats why I said I hope to see it on the new ones SOON. Not now. : ) :taunt:
& I haven't skimmed through this topic, I have watched it since 3:30 EST. Thank you.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: RDC on July 28, 2008, 02:27:20 PM
Just to clear up some things..

1. The picture of the controller in the OP is the newer CG version, while the ones in the videos are the older Matrix one. The LEDs in the CG are Common Cathode and the Trigger lines go high to fire, so every single reference to voltage/ground is bass ackwards with respect to that picture and is probably causing some confusion, it made me read everything twice. In reference to the Matrix controller it's correct though, but someone should change that pic. ;)

2. This is also limited by the game, as if the pulses are too fast the controller/game will only see the line as being held low all the time and not each individual pulse, so it will act like the Trigger was pulled and held, and all you'll get is one shot when pressing the button.

3. Not to take anything from the ingenuity of the mod but, compared to using a simple 555 timer circuit where ya can fine tune the speed ya need, not to mention being able to use any of the 4 player slots without having to move the wire. Also soldering to an SMT part for a beginner isn't a very easy thing be doing to their controller and could possibly damage the pad/trace/LED in the process.

4. 'In theory' it will not work to make any other buttons Rapid Fire. The ones on the CG controller ground to fire while the LED setup is + driven, and on the older version Matrix boards the Matrix setup screws that all up and on the CL version those buttons go high to fire while the LED setup is - driven.

5. This does not work on the newer Wireless CG version of board or on the newer Wired CL version board. I don't have a Matrix version Wired controller here to test, but I'd guess it also does not work on it either.


If anyone is curious what the REAL problem here is with it not working, it's the battery voltage. I tried it, it didn't work, but clearly it does from the videos, so while everyone was bickering about it working or not working I went and found out what the issue was since clearly it both does and does not work as sited from more than once source, and since no one seemed interested in why or trying too duplicate the others controller issue I was curious and did. ;)

With a PSU (3v) or AA pack (3.0v) the thing didn't work at all, but it DID work just fine with a PnC pack (2.6v). So while yes this does in fact work, it also does in fact not work.

Can anyone else that has this working, as well as not, get a voltage reading from the power source they're using? As well as I'd like to see someone else try it with a 3v regulated PSU, new and half charge AA batteries and PnC pack to double, double check this or see what results come from it? I'm fairly sure the results will be the same, just like to see it duplicated by someone else as I can duplicate it both working and not working on the same controller by just changing the battery pack.


It's just way too sporadic to be considered reliable IMHO. Good job on discovering it and all, but for the people that want a good solid Rapid Fire setup, with the option to fine tune the speed from game to game to get the most from the weapon they're using and use it on whatever controller thy happen to have, then they should look into building themselves a nice 555 timer circuit to do the job. Spend the money on a kit if ya like, it's your money, but making it yourself isn't that difficult and is much more rewarding, plus ya get to learn some about electronics along the way, and yes any of these type of mods can be made to use the Trigger for the button with just a SPDT or DPDT switch and cutting a trace.

The silver 'shield' on the RF module is just missing on later runs of the Matrix controllers, it's also missing from the RF boards in the 360 on newer ones, they're still the exact same controller/RF board, just missing that shield is all.


Many thanks for giving credit to where the controller version pics came from Nemesis and XE. ;)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bandit5317 on July 28, 2008, 02:32:45 PM
According to RDC over in the Xbox-Scene forums, this mod will ONLY work on old matrix style wireless controllers and it will only work if the controller is getting an input voltage of 2.6v. In other words, this will work with a rechargeable PnC pack while it's not charging, but it won't work with the standard 2 AA battery pack (which is running at 3.0v other than when the batteries are almost dead). Here's a link to the page with his post:

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=657083&st=15 (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=657083&st=15)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 02:41:07 PM
He JUST said that...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Ch4rL13 on July 28, 2008, 02:42:50 PM
He JUST said that...
xD, i was just going to say that

i think i will try the 555 timer version because its not going to work on my board, this is a good and easy method tho
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 02:49:11 PM
It seems too complicated now for this one. I don't have the recharge pack either. I'll just walk over to RS and get a 555 timer and stuff XD
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: RDC on July 28, 2008, 02:53:18 PM
According to RDC over in the Xbox-Scene forums, this mod will ONLY work on old matrix style wireless controllers and it will only work if the controller is getting an input voltage of 2.6v. In other words, this will work with a rechargeable PnC pack while it's not charging, but it won't work with the standard 2 AA battery pack (which is running at 3.0v other than when the batteries are almost dead). Here's a link to the page with his post:
It will work with a AA pack, ya can see that in the third video, but it's the battery voltage that makes the real difference.

3.0v~3.2v - It will not work. Fresh AA batteries.

2.5v~2.6v It will work. Rechargeable AA batteries or ones that are run down a little.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bullet Pulse on July 28, 2008, 03:00:10 PM
If I have the old matrix wireless controller, is it safe to do this mod, or is there a good chance of breaking the controller?
any reason why i shouldn't do the mod?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: kink192 on July 28, 2008, 03:09:03 PM
the worst you can do to your controller is fry the led. which isnt that bad, you can easily replace it, if your not ok with that risk try something a lil easier dude. but in all seriousnes unless you have turrets [the twtichy thingy] i doubt youll fry anything

p.s. no harm meant to those with turrets...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: RDC on July 28, 2008, 03:14:21 PM
If I have the old matrix wireless controller, is it safe to do this mod, or is there a good chance of breaking the controller?
any reason why i shouldn't do the mod?
I personally wouldn't recommend it, but if you're going to use the PnC battery pack and like the speed it fires it's safe to do and isn't going to hurt anything so long as ya do it right. ;) The worst ya can do is rip up the pad/trace for the LED and have to fix it so it works again, but it wouldn't kill the controller in any way.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Xboxexpert on July 28, 2008, 03:18:19 PM
Just to clear up some things..

1. The picture of the controller in the OP is the newer CG version, while the ones in the videos are the older Matrix one. The LEDs in the CG are Common Cathode and the Trigger lines go high to fire, so every single reference to voltage/ground is bass ackwards with respect to that picture and is probably causing some confusion, it made me read everything twice. In reference to the Matrix controller it's correct though, but someone should change that pic. ;)

2. This is also limited by the game, as if the pulses are too fast the controller/game will only see the line as being held low all the time and not each individual pulse, so it will act like the Trigger was pulled and held, and all you'll get is one shot when pressing the button.

3. Not to take anything from the ingenuity of the mod but, compared to using a simple 555 timer circuit where ya can fine tune the speed ya need, not to mention being able to use any of the 4 player slots without having to move the wire. Also soldering to an SMT part for a beginner isn't a very easy thing be doing to their controller and could possibly damage the pad/trace/LED in the process.

4. 'In theory' it will not work to make any other buttons Rapid Fire. The ones on the CG controller ground to fire while the LED setup is + driven, and on the older version Matrix boards the Matrix setup screws that all up and on the CL version those buttons go high to fire while the LED setup is - driven.

5. This does not work on the newer Wireless CG version of board or on the newer Wired CL version board. I don't have a Matrix version Wired controller here to test, but I'd guess it also does not work on it either.


If anyone is curious what the REAL problem here is with it not working, it's the battery voltage. I tried it, it didn't work, but clearly it does from the videos, so while everyone was bickering about it working or not working I went and found out what the issue was since clearly it both does and does not work as sited from more than once source, and since no one seemed interested in why or trying too duplicate the others controller issue I was curious and did. ;)

With a PSU (3v) or AA pack (3.0v) the thing didn't work at all, but it DID work just fine with a PnC pack (2.6v). So while yes this does in fact work, it also does in fact not work.

Can anyone else that has this working, as well as not, get a voltage reading from the power source they're using? As well as I'd like to see someone else try it with a 3v regulated PSU, new and half charge AA batteries and PnC pack to double, double check this or see what results come from it? I'm fairly sure the results will be the same, just like to see it duplicated by someone else as I can duplicate it both working and not working on the same controller by just changing the battery pack.


It's just way too sporadic to be considered reliable IMHO. Good job on discovering it and all, but for the people that want a good solid Rapid Fire setup, with the option to fine tune the speed from game to game to get the most from the weapon they're using and use it on whatever controller thy happen to have, then they should look into building themselves a nice 555 timer circuit to do the job. Spend the money on a kit if ya like, it's your money, but making it yourself isn't that difficult and is much more rewarding, plus ya get to learn some about electronics along the way, and yes any of these type of mods can be made to use the Trigger for the button with just a SPDT or DPDT switch and cutting a trace.

The silver 'shield' on the RF module is just missing on later runs of the Matrix controllers, it's also missing from the RF boards in the 360 on newer ones, they're still the exact same controller/RF board, just missing that shield is all.


Many thanks for giving credit to where the controller version pics came from Nemesis and XE. ;)

So in theory if you don't have a fully charged batt pushing out the voltage you specified then it will either work or act spratic....Wow I'd hate to be in a game of COD4 owning people and my batt voltage go low and i end up getting owned.  Thanks for clearing that up though and yea no problem in referencing the community to your post since I jacked your pics ;)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SYSTEM aka (Cyberpyrot) on July 28, 2008, 03:18:49 PM
I personally wouldn't recommend it, but if you're going to use the PnC battery pack and like the speed it fires it's safe to do and isn't going to hurt anything so long as ya do it right. ;) The worst ya can do is rip up the pad/trace for the LED and have to fix it so it works again, but it wouldn't kill the controller in any way.

Like RDC says it does have its drawbacks and we are looking for a better solution but our goal was to make it simple for everyone to do... Also there are just as many people having trouble doing the 55 timer method..
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Xboxexpert on July 28, 2008, 03:27:28 PM
Like RDC says it does have its drawbacks and we are looking for a better solution but our goal was to make it simple for everyone to do... Also there are just as many people having trouble doing the 55 timer method..

Good luck then...sorry for the confusion  :cool:  Interesting find... :clap:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bullet Pulse on July 28, 2008, 03:42:32 PM
Ok, I have the matrix controller for sure.

So, the positive side of the switch (wire) solders to the middle spot on the right?

And the negative side of the switch (wire) solders directly onto the top left LED?

And both these solder to the top of the board?



THANKS!  :yess:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 03:45:18 PM
There's no 'positive' or 'negative' on a switch...just wire 1 side of the switch to the left side of the player 1 led and the other side of the switch to the middle pin on the R trigger pins.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SYSTEM aka (Cyberpyrot) on July 28, 2008, 03:46:16 PM
whoa we found a better method pics comming soon...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bullet Pulse on July 28, 2008, 03:49:11 PM
Ok, great 
sweet i'll be one of the first to try the new method  :laughing:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Ch4rL13 on July 28, 2008, 03:55:42 PM
new method already. good lord almighty xD
how many guys u got in that r&d lab ahahah
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: bluedog on July 28, 2008, 04:05:01 PM
Are you posting it here or on the first page?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 28, 2008, 04:05:18 PM
new method already. good lord almighty xD
how many guys u got in that r&d lab ahahah
Cyber's a God, remember? Mike (I don't know which XD) said that Cyber was working on this now too to make it work
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bullet Pulse on July 28, 2008, 04:21:14 PM
Is there anything different that you need for the new method?
(I still have time to get a switch before radioshack closes)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SYSTEM aka (Cyberpyrot) on July 28, 2008, 04:26:54 PM
nope
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bullet Pulse on July 28, 2008, 04:27:38 PM
so do i need a switch still?

thanks
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SYSTEM aka (Cyberpyrot) on July 28, 2008, 04:30:14 PM
maybe :D we are working on a no switch method
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on July 28, 2008, 04:31:14 PM
I'm Done with this mod moving on .

like out split fire way better .. or the 8 pin pic's

Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bullet Pulse on July 28, 2008, 04:33:06 PM
maybe :D we are working on a no switch method

Hahaha  :hifive:
If that's the case, i'll just wait until tomorrow to get any parts I need
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: RDC on July 28, 2008, 04:48:48 PM
i'm still the god
oh an about the power i dont know what are you all talking about i did it with recharge and AA
no diff
As did I, and with new AA batteries or a solid 3v source it doesn't work. With used AA batteries it does, and it does with the PnC pack, I can duplicate it both working and not working on the same controller as stated in my earlier post. Please take a voltage reading of the battery packs you're using and see what they are as well as try a brand new set of AA batteries or a 3v PSU before dismissing it, that's just unprofessional to assume your way is right for everyone when clearly it's not, this isn't the first controller I've had opened up either and I did take the time to try different setups to find out what the deal was with it working and not working, least ya can do is the same. ;)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bullet Pulse on July 28, 2008, 05:03:59 PM
Any idea as to when we can expect the new method  :laughing:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: crashman2k7 on July 28, 2008, 05:12:26 PM
from the tone of his voice in his last video it seem like u guyz pissed him off XD
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: sprocketme2 on July 28, 2008, 05:21:12 PM
Im guessing the new method will simply use another ground point that works regardless of what voltage your power supply is.

On a side note: Though I have not tested this, using NiMh or NiCd AA batteries should give the appropriate power because each cell outputs 1.2V rather than 1.5V. The resulting 2.4V may be perfect for using this rapid fire mod.

Im gonna test this as soon as my TV is not being occupied...    :sadno:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KrInEn on July 28, 2008, 05:27:09 PM
Hrmm does this not work on a wired controller? I tried it on an extra I had laying around and I think I fried it lol  :faint:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bullet Pulse on July 28, 2008, 05:31:32 PM
Hrmm does this not work on a wired controller? I tried it on an extra I had laying around and I think I fried it lol  :faint:

If you read the whole thread, it says that the mod currently only works on the 'matrix' (old) wireless controllers.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: RDC on July 28, 2008, 05:34:08 PM
This method only works on the Wireless Matrix version of controller board, read thru the entire thread. ;) It's very doubtful you fried the controller in any way also, unless you got all wild with the soldering iron and even then it can most likely be fixed up.

On a side note: Though I have not tested this, using NiMh or NiCd AA batteries should give the appropriate power because each cell outputs 1.2V rather than 1.5V. The resulting 2.4V may be perfect for using this rapid fire mod.

Im gonna test this as soon as my TV is not being occupied...    :sadno:
Already done and they do. ;) The only issue is with fresh AA Alkaline batteries or if ya have the PnC cable plugged in to charge the PnC pack, as the voltage is raised during that process also and causes it to not work properly.

If ya have a Matrix version Wireless controller and only use the PnC battery pack this is really a decent mod, but if ya like to use Alkaline AA batteries this method isn't any good, as you'll have issues with it with new batteries, and it doesn't work on any other controller version.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on July 28, 2008, 05:47:37 PM
Quote
As did I, and with new AA batteries or a solid 3v source it doesn't work. With used AA batteries it does, and it does with the PnC pack, I can duplicate it both working and not working on the same controller as stated in my earlier post. Please take a voltage reading of the battery packs you're using and see what they are as well as try a brand new set of AA batteries or a 3v PSU before dismissing it, that's just unprofessional to assume your way is right for everyone when clearly it's not, this isn't the first controller I've had opened up either and I did take the time to try different setups to find out what the deal was with it working and not working, least ya can do is the same

i'm done proving it works not work i don't care.. buy a kit of ebay the best way ...

This mod dosen't work .. sorry for taking 10 min out of all your busy days.

here this the best way of doing it 300 + ways ebay

[have at it pick one $2.00 in parts
for 30.00 50.00 130.00 150.00 and so on.] (http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=rapid+fire+&category0=)

i can do the same thing with $2.00  683 pic and only 3 wire.

 

and i have the video tonight for the rapidfire on triggers without any switch
with 2.00 inparts just like our 33.00 kit on ebay.


Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SYSTEM aka (Cyberpyrot) on July 28, 2008, 05:49:21 PM
We are working on a solution for people who dont want to do complicated soldering as of now we have a 8 pin microcontroller with software that only requires 3 wires and can be calibrated for any speed we are hesitant to release the code as like all previous releases of code was stolen and sold on ebay for outragous amounts of money.. We like providing free services to the public...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: IDontGetHowtoWire on July 28, 2008, 05:53:04 PM
SYSTEM, what chip is the code for?!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SYSTEM aka (Cyberpyrot) on July 28, 2008, 05:54:53 PM
SYSTEM, what chip is the code for?!

Any I imagine as the code can be changed whether GPIO or Port.....
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: IDontGetHowtoWire on July 28, 2008, 05:58:27 PM
Aw snap, So If I get a few 12F683, the code could work for it?
I think I might do that then :)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SYSTEM aka (Cyberpyrot) on July 28, 2008, 05:58:40 PM
i'm done proving it works not work i don't care.. buy a kit of ebay the best way ...

This mod dosen't work .. sorry for taking 10 min out of all your busy days.




Mike dont get discuraged with RDC I know him from xboxscene he is only trying to help we are all looking for a common goal to make the easiest way for people to mod.. They have been doing extensive research into controllers over there as well... We have also been doing our research in our R&D forum with Spitfire , PWM for the new controllers we will find some common ground on whats the best way for our members to not have to be exploited by the Ebayer scalpers for a $1 chip and a few other cheap crap...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: IDontGetHowtoWire on July 28, 2008, 06:05:14 PM
members to not have to be exploited by the Ebayer scalpers for a $1 chip and a few other cheap crap...

Just a suggestion but may be too "over-the-top" maybe, open registration up to only email invites? Like a Xbox game save site, I forget the name, but they seemed to stop their game-saves from being leaked. Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SYSTEM aka (Cyberpyrot) on July 28, 2008, 06:08:15 PM
talked to mike and the code is for the 12F683 he also said this will be the end all code for the rapid fire....
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: IDontGetHowtoWire on July 28, 2008, 06:14:09 PM
That sounds awesome SYSTEM, im about to spend $100 on all stuff needed to program these chips on Sparkfun.com.. I hope to see this code out soon.  :victory:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: RDC on July 28, 2008, 06:15:11 PM
i'm done proving it works not work i don't care.. buy a kit of ebay the best way ...

This mod dosen't work .. sorry for taking 10 min out of all your busy days.
You still haven't proved/confirmed it doesn't work except for that remark (maybe ya have to yourself I don't know) but stated only that it does. I've duplicated both conditions on more than one Wireless Matrix controller now and while it does work provided certain criteria are met, there are circumstances where it will not work, brand new AA batteries or the PnC cable plugged up, which are both circumstances that someone might be using their controller under, but that's no reason to get in a twist over it. ;) It's a really ingenious way to get a R/F controller for practically nothing, just so long as ya follow the guidelines of it is all and are aware it's not going to work under certain circumstances.

I'd much rater see something everyone can do or at least have a friend to do for them that isn't going to shaft them on the work. Paying $20-$30 for $5 worth of parts is just a rip and then some in my book as well. That's why I do insane crap with the controllers, have to be nuts to even think of some of that stuff, let alone duplicate it over and over. ;)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on July 28, 2008, 06:27:11 PM
Thanks RDC .. sorry and thaks for the help.

it been a long day. and no one getting it to work was making me frustrated.

and than everyone stat going carzy in fourm calling each other name one site taking about other

man i just posted my finding. just to help sorry did not work out for every one as i plan.

i'm sure there are always other ways. just have to find it.

Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: IDontGetHowtoWire on July 28, 2008, 06:34:21 PM
Hey SYSTEM, for the 8Pin Microcontroller with the 3 wires you mentioned above does it have any resistors?
And can it be made to use the RT trigger for the rapid fire function, If it can and doesn't have any resistors,

YOU...GUYS...ARE..GODS!  :drunk: :tup: :hifive: :#1: :clap:  (Sorry for the excessive emoticons)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: RDC on July 28, 2008, 06:45:08 PM
You're Welcome KingMike_OS, and no worries at all man. I just wanted everyone to see what the deal was since it both seemed to work and not work at the same time. When I first tried the mod it didn't work, but from the video it obviously did, and since it couldn't be both there had to be something causing it. I started off with my 3v bench PSU to power the controller from the AA terminals to try it out and it didn't work, then went to a AA battery pack (new batteries. 3.0v) and still nothing, but then when I used a PnC battery pack (2.66v) it started working just fine. I'd guess your AA pack has used AA batteries in it and a voltage a little under 3v? If so that's why it worked fine there, if it reads 3v or more then it could just be a difference in the controllers is all, but I had 2 here that acted the same way when testing the voltage issue.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SYSTEM aka (Cyberpyrot) on July 28, 2008, 06:52:48 PM

Ok This is the rapidfire on trigger with no external switch . on the right trigger ..
Pic 12f683 Chip only 4 wires. and the on/off switch is the sinc wireless with out
losing its function.

tested on both type of controllers old and new style oh with fresh battary's  : ) j/k RDC

PS : no resister needed on any models. as longest the battary are fresh   :  )
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bullet Pulse on July 28, 2008, 07:15:27 PM
Congratz! It's definetely a breakthrough in RF modding.  :drunk:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: sprocketme2 on July 28, 2008, 07:19:11 PM
Ok my input for the "no-chip" method: Tested on matrix style wireless controller(T26); Worked with standard(used) AA batteries but NOT with freshly charged NiMh (I thought they would). Overall the rapid fire was very spiratic, meaning not steady rapid fire. The fireing was hit and miss for the most part.

Awsome discovery but not full-proof.

Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: IDontGetHowtoWire on July 28, 2008, 07:21:01 PM
Oh my god, I cannot wait for my chips, programmer, and until you guys release this!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Hazer on July 28, 2008, 07:23:48 PM
Maybe someone here could sell chips to AM members only for non-profit prices?

Oh, btw, a PIC programmer can be bought for $10.  Or built for $2.  Buying the Sparkfun $100 kit is over the top for doing your own controller mod. Now if you plan to do more PIC hobbies, then please get the $100 programmer. It makes things much easier to program from MPLAB.

Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: IDontGetHowtoWire on July 28, 2008, 07:28:20 PM
Maybe someone here could sell chips to AM members only for non-profit prices?

Oh, btw, a PIC programmer can be bought for $10.  Or built for $2.  Buying the Sparkfun $100 kit is over the top for doing your own controller mod. Now if you plan to do more PIC hobbies, then please get the $100 programmer. It makes things much easier to program from MPLAB.



$10.... :tup: I shall get one of those, and get about 20 chips lmao :D
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on July 28, 2008, 07:41:24 PM
i will have the chip on sale at our store by this week .
the kit comes pre wire and ready to do all you do wire 4 wires for the one trigger rapid for
2 trigger rapid is 6 wires.

and oh there not $33.00 or $20.00 or $10.00

Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bullet Pulse on July 28, 2008, 07:45:05 PM
i will have the chip on sale at our store by this week .
:D how much
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on July 28, 2008, 07:48:16 PM
$7.99 how is that fair
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bullet Pulse on July 28, 2008, 07:51:07 PM
$7.99 how is that fair
yes sir.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: IDontGetHowtoWire on July 28, 2008, 07:58:29 PM
im buying quite a few :)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on July 28, 2008, 08:00:41 PM
added

http://wiredinput.com/ShopUSA/index.php?cPath=30 (http://wiredinput.com/ShopUSA/index.php?cPath=30)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bullet Pulse on July 28, 2008, 08:05:32 PM
Awesome!  :cool:
So this is for the sleeper RF?
And this is all I need for that mod?
How long does shipping take?

I'll probably buy it tomorrow.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bandit5317 on July 28, 2008, 08:09:36 PM
He JUST said that...
Dang it, RDC lol. Beat me to it by 5 minutes, the amount of time it took me to register and type that post. Ah well.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: m@DDm!k3 on July 28, 2008, 08:17:45 PM
Holy :censored: Ive been gone for 3 days n this has come out holy crap! I was going to waste 80 dollars no way jose!! YES YES YES!!!  :x:  :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :clap: :clap: :tup: :tup: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :tup: :tup: :tup:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: thm ov3rkill on July 28, 2008, 08:19:36 PM
Hey man king mike sorry to hear about this you must be very sad I tried it out didint get it to work but thank for trying for me and for us for finding a easier inexpensive way around all this im glad that you care about poeple. Just keep trying never quit and one day you will prove your self rite. i am currently trying to find out how to program the microchips and one day i will and ill never quit so just keep trying king mike thanks. Dont worry about the poeple yelling at you for not making it work for others.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on July 28, 2008, 08:24:12 PM
Quote
Awesome! 
So this is for the sleeper RF?
And this is all I need for that mod?
How long does shipping take?

I'll probably buy it tomorrow.


yes it can be use same as the sleeper or like the ebay guy dule trigger rapid fire

all you need to the mod is the chip wires and 2 small or large momentary switches

shipping it up to you. the $1.20 takes 3-5  $4.80 piority 2-3 days

thats for USA shipping ..
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: IDontGetHowtoWire on July 28, 2008, 08:27:02 PM
Uhm Mike? It says in the shop that its a 16F283, but on the picture it shows 12F283 any help??  :victory:

I see you changed it :)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on July 28, 2008, 08:31:26 PM
thank you typo getting old

its 12f683 pin 8 pin the picture should match now
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bullet Pulse on July 28, 2008, 08:35:21 PM
Does it come with instructions,
what does it involve to put it together?

it will come with instruction ...it will be email to
you can do it my way sleeper just like the video or you can do it with two external switch
just like ebay guy or even just one switch.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: IDontGetHowtoWire on July 28, 2008, 08:37:06 PM
Account created on WiredInput! :-)
Buying from you tomorrow like 7 kits :)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: louielesko on July 28, 2008, 09:49:24 PM
so is the normal 2 wire no chip method still legit because i still wanted to try that...
i use 2 AA re-chargeables that are never fully charged so i figured it would work?

Just wondering so i can get some reassurance before i do it...

Thanks
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bullet Pulse on July 28, 2008, 10:02:37 PM
so is the normal 2 wire no chip method still legit because i still wanted to try that...
i use 2 AA re-chargeables that are never fully charged so i figured it would work?

Just wondering so i can get some reassurance before i do it...

Thanks

Yes it will work. As long as you have the old 'matrix' wireless controller.
You just need to do the soldering correctly and it will work.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: louielesko on July 28, 2008, 10:11:38 PM
Yes it will work. As long as you have the old 'matrix' wireless controller.
You just need to do the soldering correctly and it will work.

Yea.. I'm Pretty sure I do?

My motherboard is T19 which I believe is matrix board.. Correct?

Thanks
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SiLiCONx on July 28, 2008, 10:16:39 PM
Hey guys, I'm new to these forums but have been modding for a while and figured I would give it a whirl with the 360. I noticed the single button and wire mod a few posts back and am thinking this only works with the model 26 controller? Can this be done to an old style wired controller? I have tinkered a little with a wired one and seems there is no pulsing mechanism to provide the rapid fire between LED1 and the middle R/L Triggle prong. I can make it fire normal and both my added button and Right Trigger function properly. I can provide pictures, but honestly only need the thoery if its possible for my style of controller. Any input would be great. Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Xboxexpert on July 28, 2008, 10:24:28 PM
Did I leave all day and come back to a thread that was supposed to be a nice two wire no chip solution to all those eBayer :censored: money making people, to a website that is now selling chips for rapid fire????....Was this whole thing planed from start...lets advertise something that works 1/2 way then construct a modchip to do it and sell it for 10 bucks....I'm very confused,  give me a moment to go back two pages and read this over again...but I think I'm correct.   Nice advertising methods!!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KrInEn on July 28, 2008, 11:00:02 PM
Hey sorry about the stupid question before, I usually do nothing but read through threads. However today my wireless is acting up and it is taking 5 mins to load each page :( so I figured I would just ask. Thanks for the info
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on July 28, 2008, 11:26:10 PM
Quote
Did I leave all day and come back to a thread that was supposed to be a nice two wire no chip solution to all those eBayer  money making people, to a website that is now selling chips for rapid fire????....Was this whole thing planed from start...lets advertise something that works 1/2 way then construct a modchip to do it and sell it for 10 bucks....I'm very confused,  give me a moment to go back two pages and read this over again...but I think I'm correct.   Nice advertising methods!!

Well that was the plan so what it did not work out they way i wanted work on old controller with low voltage there is restriction sure but i find a way ... but atleast i fix it and offer a diff ways for the rapifire trigger for $7.00 with 4 wire to install on all models controller unlike you $112.00 for rapid fire  so you spend 39.99 on the controller 2.00 on parts making $70.00 profit. will i fix it $7.00 not 33.00 not 49.99 not 112.00 so shut the hell up.  :censored: i will  install any one controllers with this mod for free
just pay shipping both ways and 7.99 for the parts there will be no more kit sold on ebay. beat that.

problem fix .
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Luke on July 28, 2008, 11:30:26 PM
FFS! I still don't get it  :help: , does it matter what led i use, like could i use a 3mm ?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on July 28, 2008, 11:35:22 PM
you use the led that is on the controller port one and it only works on old style controller

oh there are some restriction just read the post before on power can't be bran new AA

battary your recharge cable can't be conected to the controller and so on.

you don't need any other LEds the led is on the xbox controller board
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Luke on July 28, 2008, 11:48:16 PM
ok... so what did u solder to the led on the board and the hole fingo... like im very confused


also i watched the 3rd video and lmao'ed my ass off
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on July 28, 2008, 11:57:37 PM
here

(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi167.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu136%2Fkingmike_001%2Ftest.jpg&hash=ffea7938cee08e1c8c65ea4d007fa67a1d68b9f6)

Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Luke on July 29, 2008, 12:18:04 AM
ok that helped my alot and about the whole new battery thing will it matter if my batteries are rechargeable
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: GhoSt on July 29, 2008, 01:40:26 AM
omg I am so trying this, whooo. nd lmfao "Kiss my Assidmods"... classic.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 29, 2008, 07:11:45 AM
also i watched the 3rd video and lmao'ed my ass off
Laughed my ass off my ass off?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: F00 f00 on July 29, 2008, 07:38:54 AM
What a great find. Good work guys.

I had no idea people where ebaying stuff for the other mod. Great job on putting an end to that.
 
Hit me up on msn later I should be on tonight.
 
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SYSTEM aka (Cyberpyrot) on July 29, 2008, 08:21:21 AM
What a great find. Good work guys.

I had no idea people where ebaying stuff for the other mod. Great job on putting an end to that.
 
Hit me up on msn later I should be on tonight.
 

Will do f00 :D
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: StaticFilter on July 29, 2008, 10:37:25 AM
While I realize you guys don't really condone using it online, does anyone actually know someone banned for modding their controller and playing online?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Ack Like You Know on July 29, 2008, 10:41:12 AM
Are you guys going to be posting a code for the 12F683 along with an install procedure? I am inquiring about the code you said you had done for the PIC chips. That would be awesome. Thanks guys.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: sean7341 on July 29, 2008, 10:57:40 AM
How can I wire the switch to a button outside of the controller?  I could easily do this myself, but I don't know what to do after I solder.  Can you add a button to the switch for easy external pressing?  Or do you have to let the switch stick out and click it when needed?

Also, how can I tell if I have the correct controller?

Thanks.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: kink192 on July 29, 2008, 11:06:22 AM
How can I wire the switch to a button outside of the controller?  I could easily do this myself, but I don't know what to do after I solder.  Can you add a button to the switch for easy external pressing?  Or do you have to let the switch stick out and click it when needed?

Also, how can I tell if I have the correct controller?

Thanks.
read the whole thread, several people have said how to determine the controller style, and i dont really understand your first question.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: louielesko on July 29, 2008, 12:42:54 PM
is it a requirement to use 30 gauge wire?
There is no radioshack locally and no local hardware/stores have that type of wire only like 28 and lower?

So am I able to use a different type of wire?

Thanks
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: sprocketme2 on July 29, 2008, 01:06:22 PM
is it a requirement to use 30 gauge wire?
There is no radioshack locally and no local hardware/stores have that type of wire only like 28 and lower?

So am I able to use a different type of wire?

Thanks
No, as long as your wire is small enough to solder to the TINY solder points on the controller board. Also the wire must not be so big that the controller will not go back together.

Ok Im still having trouble with this mod. I have matrix style controller and the rapid fire does work but not well. It will shoot spiraticly and I was wondering what could be the cause of that?

Also, whats the point of this new chip. Is it any better than the old pic chip, Besides only having 4 wires. The old pic could be done with 4 wires if all you wanted was rapid fire.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Allen626 on July 29, 2008, 01:40:23 PM
Are you selling the same chip and code from this thread? https://www.acidmods.com/forum/index.php?topic=20459.0

Because you stated that the code was bad in this thread : https://www.acidmods.com/forum/index.php?topic=21073.0

my Controller is working is just the chip was getting to hot and shorthing out the controller.

any way as of now i got 683 work but i have open pin problem that means the rapidfire is always

on can't be turn off so need some more testing i been working with 2 other people on this for 3 days

now so as of Now the code is no good and the will not work till i get some result.

This gose for both chip and hex file that was release.

Not trying to start anything, I am just wondering if you updated the code and if so are you going to release it?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: phonzie on July 29, 2008, 03:32:12 PM
it actually worked :) anybody who says otherwise is  :censored:ing retarded seeing as how that was my first time solder (no longer a virgin baby). This is awesome. Anybody have a list of games that this works well on, i know the most popular is COD4
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: xStang05 on July 29, 2008, 03:49:53 PM
hey everyone. im about to try this mod. im kinda new to all this so if anyone can give me any advide, pointers or anyhing would be useful. i just went and got a switch and some 30-gauge wrapping wire. what else do i need and what should i do step by step. thanx to everyone who helps
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: kink192 on July 29, 2008, 06:38:38 PM
hey everyone. im about to try this mod. im kinda new to all this so if anyone can give me any advide, pointers or anyhing would be useful. i just went and got a switch and some 30-gauge wrapping wire. what else do i need and what should i do step by step. thanx to everyone who helps
take the wire and solder it to the switch, once done solder one lead to the GROUND on the first person led, solder the other lead to the middle pin for the trigger. done.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: xStang05 on July 29, 2008, 06:53:01 PM
take the wire and solder it to the switch, once done solder one lead to the GROUND on the first person led, solder the other lead to the middle pin for the trigger. done.

so i take the wrapping wire, solder it do what part of the switch, then wheres the first person led
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: kink192 on July 29, 2008, 06:59:32 PM
what kind of switch are you using? and sides i think on the first page there is a good illustration
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: t00thlesstyrone on July 29, 2008, 07:00:54 PM
Can someone tell me the kinda wire and the button i need, or like links ?

on the shop there is one for the chip but i just want this one, sooooooo please someone help a n00b :D
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: xStang05 on July 29, 2008, 07:22:31 PM
what kind of switch are you using? and sides i think on the first page there is a good illustration
its a mini momentary switchthe bottem of it looks kinda like a mini plug in
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SiLiCONx on July 29, 2008, 08:13:50 PM
louielesko make sure you specify "Wrapping Wire" to your local RadioShaft etc store, most of the time they have it and don't know what your talking about. In my honest opinion 90% of the reason for using the 30awg wrapping wire is 1) its small and 2) its easy to mold to your needs and solder. If time is not a crunch many electronics stores will have what you need online. Good luck!  :victory:
 
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: xStang05 on July 29, 2008, 08:44:36 PM
so the 2 prongs stickin from the switch. do i need a wire from each of the prongs or just one of em?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Hoopdy on July 29, 2008, 08:53:49 PM
You only use two wires right? One going to the SMD and the other to the middle pin...?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: DjBulletFast on July 29, 2008, 09:25:57 PM
Hey guys this is awesome I think i'm going to try this. I have never really tried to solder before. If I buy one of the Programmed PIC12F683 New Style Controllers chips does it come with instructions. and if so I can see them first to see if i want to take jump in to trying this?  :confused:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on July 29, 2008, 10:20:55 PM
here the basic installation for the right trigger to do rapid fire with a on/off switch

(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi167.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu136%2Fkingmike_001%2FDigrams2.jpg&hash=af7d0de08585da46cf7b4114fd643239dac04ad3)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: halo2jumper on July 30, 2008, 02:08:22 AM
Hey everyone^^
I do that Mod too today and it works finde:)
But my problem is,it works only in CoD4,right? :(
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Nemesis on July 30, 2008, 03:12:30 AM
Hey everyone^^
I do that Mod too today and it works finde:)
But my problem is,it works only in CoD4,right? :(

nope it should work with all fps games that use the r trigger to fire
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: halo2jumper on July 30, 2008, 03:21:30 AM
nope it should work with all fps games that use the r trigger to fire

really?
I test it in CoD4 and works....then i test it in Halo 3 and it doesnt work :(

Any Help?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on July 30, 2008, 05:16:26 AM
halo 3 can't be done .. man how many times i have to say this there is no rapid fire in halo 3 .

it works on gears of war army of one R6 las vegas.



Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Whazup on July 30, 2008, 06:57:44 AM
Actually there is a small difference between normal and rapidfire on halo 3, with rapidfire on you have less recoil.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: gameroms on July 30, 2008, 06:59:32 AM
there is rapidfire in halo 3, but its coded into the game to only let you fire so fast.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: louielesko on July 30, 2008, 07:37:18 AM
Hey! Thanks guys! This no-chip method is badass!
dont listen to these other downers that say its "spiratac" or wtf they said.
On COD 4, it couldn't be any better
On Vegas, turn your weapon to single shot - dead on accuracy.

No-Chip method, if you have the right requirements, is amazing.  It was my very first soldering job and it worked perfect, provided i dripped a lot of solder lol, but o well

Thanks again guys!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: t00thlesstyrone on July 30, 2008, 08:37:54 AM
okay i dont really know how to solder or what i need for it so could someone like gimme exact directions or something?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bullet Pulse on July 30, 2008, 09:24:14 AM
okay i dont really know how to solder or what i need for it so could someone like gimme exact directions or something?
LOL  :laughing:
Watch the videos on the first page, or look up soldering, on youtube.
Good luck.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: jdub1581 on July 30, 2008, 09:55:42 AM
thereis another mod that i came across without having to use a chip... will add pics...
the only problem that occured was that after about 5 mins of play it would stop working, including the Rt, after letting it sit for a while it would work again...
perhaps one of you might know... i think it has to do with grounding? or maybe a resistor is needed? im not real techy so i dont know... was shown that if you take the hot lead from a rumbler connect it to the center post of the trigger you get rapid fire... tried but after a few mins it stops, seems to build up some resistance in the connection (according to ohm meter) any help or advice would be great!(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi250.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg259%2Fjdub1581%2FP7260041.jpg&hash=61da78dea3efdb30360538568c9babfdca34f916)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: xStang05 on July 30, 2008, 10:22:56 AM
here the basic installation for the right trigger to do rapid fire with a on/off switch

(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi167.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu136%2Fkingmike_001%2FDigrams2.jpg&hash=af7d0de08585da46cf7b4114fd643239dac04ad3)

so do i need that chip shown in the top right of the pic? or rly just a momentary switch and 30 gauge wrapping wire? and how am i supposed to get the trigger through the controller so i can use it during gameplay when the controllers back together?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 30, 2008, 12:11:10 PM
so do i need that chip shown in the top right of the pic? or rly just a momentary switch and 30 gauge wrapping wire? and how am i supposed to get the trigger through the controller so i can use it during gameplay when the controllers back together?
Read >_>
You need the PIC in the top right. You need to program it with the special HEX code using a PIC programmer. For the button...you need to drill a hole in the controller and put the button somewhere...Or use the sleeper method instead to just use the sync button and not an external button
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: BlindMaphisto on July 30, 2008, 12:15:53 PM
Does this three wire kit have the same problems with voltage that the original posted method had?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SYSTEM aka (Cyberpyrot) on July 30, 2008, 12:17:46 PM
Does this three wire kit have the same problems with voltage that the original posted method had?

nope
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: m@DDm!k3 on July 30, 2008, 12:54:01 PM
Acually i just ryed this yesterday on the new controller type at first it didnt seem to work but when i held down the R trigger then pressed my modded button it shot like i was pressing the R trigger normally so what i do i shoot my controller like a paintball gun and its just as fast as the video :tup:

I only used the 30-gauge wire and the momentary switch by the way no PIC chip :winker:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: xStang05 on July 30, 2008, 01:16:00 PM
i thought i only needed 30 gauge wrapping wire and a momentary switch?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: chimp007 on July 30, 2008, 01:16:37 PM
I jut bought the 3 wire kit, and does the chip come programmed?

http://wiredinput.com/ShopUSA/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=76 (http://wiredinput.com/ShopUSA/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=76)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Nemesis on July 30, 2008, 02:44:13 PM
I jut bought the 3 wire kit, and does the chip come programmed?

http://wiredinput.com/ShopUSA/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=76 (http://wiredinput.com/ShopUSA/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=76)

yes of course
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: DjBulletFast on July 30, 2008, 03:42:39 PM
Does the chips work with wired controllers? Because I think I am going to try to do it on my wired then if that works then one of my wireless.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Godly on July 30, 2008, 10:09:09 PM
Wait.. so this only works with OLD controller?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on July 31, 2008, 12:05:30 AM
Quote
Does the chips work with wired controllers? Because I think I am going to try to do it on my wired then if that works then one of my wireless.

Why oh why people don't read ...  :eyebrow:

I i think i did say on the website .. let me post it here to help gezzzz


From me
Quote
This Mod Works on old and new Style Wireless. it has been tested on both type wireless but not wired ones.

Now if you like you can send me a wire controller to test sure we can so that
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: MadMan666 on July 31, 2008, 10:16:12 AM
KingMike_OS I want to say thanks for making this.

I am ordering a few of the chips from your site to install on some friends controllers.
I have a question. I dont want to get the kits as all I need other then the chips are the buttons. (I already have more wire and solder then I know what to do with)
I have a local electronics shop that has a large selection of buttons. they actually have 5 different 7mm tact buttons. Is there anything special I need or are the signals low enough that it wont matter witch ones I get?  :beg:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Nemesis on July 31, 2008, 11:16:51 AM
KingMike_OS I want to say thanks for making this.

I am ordering a few of the chips from your site to install on some friends controllers.
I have a question. I dont want to get the kits as all I need other then the chips are the buttons. (I already have more wire and solder then I know what to do with)
I have a local electronics shop that has a large selection of buttons. they actually have 5 different 7mm tact buttons. Is there anything special I need or are the signals low enough that it wont matter witch ones I get?  :beg:

get the 7mm tact buttons
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: acid mods my word on July 31, 2008, 11:27:53 AM
where can i fing a  :censored: button? lol  andhow can u tell if your controller is a the new version or not? Will a hot glue gun work as well as well as the sottering gun or do u have to use a sottering gun? What else can i use instead of a sottering gun?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: MadMan666 on July 31, 2008, 12:43:10 PM
get the 7mm tact buttons

I just noticed they added the buttons as a separate item on the site.  cool
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: MadMan666 on July 31, 2008, 12:46:24 PM
where can i fing a  :censored: button? lol  andhow can u tell if your controller is a the new version or not? Will a hot glue gun work as well as well as the sottering gun or do u have to use a sottering gun? What else can i use instead of a sottering gun?

there are posts in this thread about how to tell witch controller you have. I dont remember how far back but there are some


and the glue gun is just to hold the chip in place
the soldering iron is needed for making the connections.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: armyffcav on July 31, 2008, 06:22:52 PM
I saw this sight last night... I thought it was to good to be true, but hell it was worth a try. So this A.M. I was passing a Radio Shack and stopped in and bought a button and wires. When I got home I took it apart and tried, it didn't work at first but it was a connection problem after 15 minutes of playing with it I had it complete. Thanks for saving me a ton.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: MrBatty1 on July 31, 2008, 07:20:02 PM
looks complicated !!!!!!! :faint:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Black-man23 on July 31, 2008, 07:49:38 PM
yo, i want to do the spit-fire controller mod. i found it on hackaday.com posted apr 21st. it was the black comtroller. i take it u need a "chip". im new to this but i was wondering where i can get the instructions and a list parts to the spit-fire mode controller.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: l0rdnic0 on July 31, 2008, 08:14:57 PM
I LOVE YOU GUYS!!!!!! :clap:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Nemesis on August 01, 2008, 03:48:45 AM
yo, i want to do the spit-fire controller mod. i found it on hackaday.com posted apr 21st. it was the black comtroller. i take it u need a "chip". im new to this but i was wondering where i can get the instructions and a list parts to the spit-fire mode controller.

https://www.acidmods.com/forum/index.php?topic=17385.0 (https://www.acidmods.com/forum/index.php?topic=17385.0)

if your new to modding this really isnt the easiest mod to start with
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Recox99 on August 01, 2008, 07:56:16 AM
I found anew way if this is giving you problems it worked on old and new style controllers
follow this and it will rapid fire(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg142.imageshack.us%2Fimg142%2F6388%2Ftestyt1.jpg&hash=46177f617b2bf27cb3ffbdcd8c481b160637c13b)

I did find this my self please give me credit
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: yuckzee on August 01, 2008, 05:33:57 PM
ok im sorry but ive read threw abount half of this fourm and i dont have alot of time so sorry if i bother any one...

ok so im trying to git rapid fire for the right trigger, and for it to work on halo3...and i know it can be done because ive seen it...

so what do i need, and how do i do it
 :help:

thanks for any help you guys, you all seem to be doing a realy good job all ready
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: yuckzee on August 01, 2008, 05:56:55 PM
I found anew way if this is giving you problems it worked on old and new style controllers
follow this and it will rapid fire(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg142.imageshack.us%2Fimg142%2F6388%2Ftestyt1.jpg&hash=46177f617b2bf27cb3ffbdcd8c481b160637c13b)

I did find this my self please give me credit


ok so what kind of wire did you use for it? and i can use any kind of button, or what, can you make a vid?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on August 01, 2008, 07:02:16 PM
I know about using the rumble ground .. it is not stable it will fire one then 3 and then full clip there is a lot of delay .. and the only reason it works becuse when you fire the first shot it will turn the rumble and when it spins it make pulse like , but its not 100% time work right. that is why i pick
Led since it s active pulse at all time .
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: MrRetep on August 01, 2008, 10:01:32 PM
Hey Folks Registered just for this Method of Rapid Fire  :hifive:
Ok so ive decided im going to buy the kit from your website for $12.99, but i have a couple questions, I really dont want to add an external button to my controller. So i was wondering if I can use the Kit to mod my controller in the sleeper method, where i just wire it up to the Sync button? And if so does the kit with instructions or am on my own? lol well any way great job! this seems to work well, and im looking forward to trying this :tup:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on August 01, 2008, 11:17:31 PM
here how to make the kit in to sleeper

https://www.acidmods.com/forum/index.php?topic=21452.0 (https://www.acidmods.com/forum/index.php?topic=21452.0)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: MrRetep on August 02, 2008, 12:01:21 AM
Sweet thanks! Will buy once its in stock on monday!

You guys are great! Once again thanks for making this available at such low prices.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SpartanXx666xX on August 02, 2008, 10:42:23 AM
Listen up.  I'm Xboxexpert and I run www.thexboxexpert.com which sells professionally modified Rapid Fire Controllers.   I was ecstatic to see this post until I actually tried it.  My results are in the YouTube video below.  I've also tried it on a NEW Style controller with the same results....IT DOESN'T WORK.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj-3ptc6XYo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj-3ptc6XYo)

well now i know i'm not going to his website haha, i am a complete noob and i did this in less than 10 min and it works. i didnt even know how to soder and i did this SO stop trying to shoot it down the hard work these guys put in.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: lag major on August 02, 2008, 10:57:34 AM
this is awsome i might try it
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: louielesko on August 02, 2008, 07:48:36 PM
listen i need help bad like tonight.. but i soldered the wires and its shooting automatically.. like by itself in rapid fire without me hitting the button.. please help what is going on?

thanks
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: pistolpete3521 on August 02, 2008, 09:41:40 PM
Ok, louielesko, I have yet to do this to my controller (have to check for the model), but it sounds to me like you have the tact switch soldered on opposite terminals instead of the ones on the same side... look at the diagram  on Pg. 1. Or you have the wrong type of switch.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: yuckzee on August 02, 2008, 10:54:55 PM
listen i need help bad like tonight.. but i soldered the wires and its shooting automatically.. like by itself in rapid fire without me hitting the button.. please help what is going on?

thanks

sounds like the trigger is stuck on the controlor, try smacking the controlor or pulling the trigger alot...or try switching out the button
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Jinn on August 03, 2008, 08:28:00 PM
LED to Right Trigger works great.  For anyone having problems use ALT Point for LED contact. Thanks KM
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: superaison on August 03, 2008, 09:56:39 PM
Actually.


I figured something out.


You can actually solder the wire that should be on the - of the LED, to anything..

i solder it to the ground of the rumble.


Even the metal on the analog sticks works!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Cobyyy on August 04, 2008, 04:46:10 PM
hi im new to this forum and i tried this mod recently and all went well the button would work but not rapid fire.
did i do something wrong?
i could supply pics if needed.
can this only work with AA batteries?
i used a rechargable battery pack.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Crazy Germans on August 04, 2008, 05:07:11 PM
Actually.


I figured something out.


You can actually solder the wire that should be on the - of the LED, to anything..

i solder it to the ground of the rumble.


Even the metal on the analog sticks works!
I'm not really sure how this whole thing works, but wouldn't i make sense that it works when you solder to the ground on the rumble, cuz that would pulse then whenever the controller rumbles?  Or is that not how it works?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: gameroms on August 04, 2008, 07:01:42 PM
THE RUMBLE CONNECTIONS ARE NOT RECCOMENDED FOR ANY OF ACIDMODS KITS, THERE NOT STABLE ENOUGH.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: antitime on August 04, 2008, 09:36:08 PM
A friend and I tried this mod today just for giggles.
First of all, it doesn't seem to work even a first-gen wired controller.
We used a TP19 old-style wireless controller next. Soldered the wires up, and it would work every once in a while, but not consistently.
We then remembered the note about not using fresh AA batteries....so we snatched the AA's out of the TV remote, popped em in the controller....now it works great every time.
Just for info, we soldered to the left side of the P1 LED.
So, if you guys have problems with the mod...don't use wired or rechargeable, make sure you're using USED AA batteries.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: XxKILLx3RxX on August 05, 2008, 11:56:04 AM
This mod works perfectly.  :tup: I'm using a PnC battery so it works. Also if your controller is off and you have the battery in and you press the button, it lights up a little.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: swxc86 on August 06, 2008, 01:24:45 PM
What is the wired CG version of the controller? i got mine for christmas, will the mod still work?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: louielesko on August 06, 2008, 02:12:51 PM
so this no chip mod does not work on new boards what so ever? and is there any way to get it to work?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: M3nic on August 06, 2008, 04:22:27 PM
Any1 kno what kind of resistor you use to make it work on a full charge??


 :help:

If it has allrdy been posted or there is a thread please direct....
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: soupspeedway on August 07, 2008, 12:09:00 PM
Does this work with wired controllers because Followed the steps -attached to middle of 3 spikes and underneath the 1 player led light. if somebody could inform me of something i did wrong that would be great thanks
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: sexbox on August 07, 2008, 12:18:11 PM
i am a noob and i was wondering what i did wrong if the guy just walks aroung and he doesnt stop and what gauge wite should i get
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: wilson08 on August 07, 2008, 01:24:02 PM
Hi, I Tried this Mod and it works perfectly!
I soldered a wire to player1 LED, Middle pin Right Triggers, From a ON/OFF Push button i drilled in the back of the controller!
If anybody wants me to, i can post videos/pics of it :D
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: soupspeedway on August 07, 2008, 01:58:42 PM
ok so i have been at this all day.  I am trying to find a solder point for the power that is not the led light.  for some reason that didn't work at all for me.  When I look for different places to put the wire it works but it does a different action. If somebody could post a DETAILED picture of places to solder that would be amazing. Thanks! (its a wired controller)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: sexbox on August 07, 2008, 02:59:17 PM
Hi, I Tried this Mod and it works perfectly!
I soldered a wire to player1 LED, Middle pin Right Triggers, From a ON/OFF Push button i drilled in the back of the controller!
If anybody wants me to, i can post videos/pics of it :D

can you post good pictures with explination

Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 08, 2008, 01:25:02 AM
Well this is a lot to read thro so im just gonna ask does this work with only COD4 or does it work with others...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: wilson08 on August 08, 2008, 02:57:19 AM
Ok, i will post detailed pics/videos! They should be up tonight/tomorrow... Yes works well with COD havent tried Halo - But i will !
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 08, 2008, 02:59:44 AM
Ok cuz i tried it with gears of war and it also worked but with the pistol only..
Oh alright sweet man.. ill check that alter on..
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: wilson08 on August 08, 2008, 09:43:23 AM
Ok Thread is up ... Easy/ Deatiled Tutorial

https://www.acidmods.com/forum/index.php?topic=21716.0

 :hifive:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: swxc86 on August 08, 2008, 10:24:59 AM
so can any1 find out how to make it work for the new wired controller
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on August 08, 2008, 10:29:50 AM
so can any1 find out how to make it work for the new wired controller
I'm sure if it does. If no one's posted by Monday then I'll try it myself and get back here on what happens.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SillyNuts on August 08, 2008, 10:47:34 AM
it will work with the newer wired one you just need to add a res. the the pos. cuz this mod is for a low volt what it does is really makes the led lose power then get it agin really fast sort of like a controlled short but if you are using a wired controller then its sending to much power to fast cuz you have a constant 5v feed so just add a 100k res to the pos. :D
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: swxc86 on August 08, 2008, 01:33:25 PM
I'm sure if it does. If no one's posted by Monday then I'll try it myself and get back here on what happens.

Thanx i appreciate it
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 08, 2008, 02:32:04 PM
NICE wilson08 much more easy to understand for those that are like uhh u kno..
Job Well Done..
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: coriantumr on August 08, 2008, 04:02:20 PM
Hi can someone please help me? I just tried this today on my controller and the switch works fine, but it only is giving me single shots and not rapid fire. Has anyone else had this same problem? And if so, how did you fix it? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 08, 2008, 07:29:11 PM
Are you sure its the right motherboard for it...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: wilson08 on August 09, 2008, 01:40:01 AM
NICE wilson08 much more easy to understand for those that are like uhh u kno..
Job Well Done..
lol, yhh ... Thanks !
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 09, 2008, 02:01:28 AM
 :tup: ur welcome..
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Ghost In Black on August 09, 2008, 05:24:47 PM
Ok, so there will be a way to use this on newer boards because I have 2 new ones.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: tvsecho on August 09, 2008, 06:26:42 PM
what size wire did you use cause i have some and i think its to big???/
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 09, 2008, 09:55:14 PM
Most ppl use 30 gauge wire...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: wilson08 on August 10, 2008, 12:29:25 AM
what size wire did you use cause i have some and i think its to big???/


There is a Detailed Tutorial on Front page... I did'nt use 30gauge - But your wire needs to be thin!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 10, 2008, 12:58:30 AM
yea well 30 gauge with thin insolent
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ParadiseEVE on August 12, 2008, 07:30:27 AM
Ok I've tryed this and it worked for about a second but i figured out it was a connection problem. in the process i lost my player 1 LED. my question is as shown in the picture has anyone tryed it with the second grounding location on the board? if so what are your results. thanks alot
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 12, 2008, 07:35:45 AM
I havent done the second ground point. But soon will..
How did manage to knock out ur led 1 to much heat or solder.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ParadiseEVE on August 12, 2008, 07:59:58 AM
i was trying to solder to the LED ground with a wire that was way to big (22 gauge) and when i udid what i did the LED came right off. i dont mind not having the LED, even though it bothered me at first but if there is a way to fix it i'll do it. i wanna try the second point because i wont destroy the rest of my controller.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 12, 2008, 12:31:59 PM
Yea get 30 gauge wire works a lot better and also u can fix just get another 0603 LED. Also i was reading on another thread taht it does matter i thought it didnt cuz every time i solder LEDs on they work but they say if u solder it the wrong way like positive negative it wont light up but idk. But you can replace the LED and get smaller wire with thin insolent.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: FrankieB4 on August 12, 2008, 01:13:20 PM
Can someone please let me know where the ground is on the led? i cant find it anywhere and have tried to attach to to many different things. Can somone upload a clear photo of where to solder it? Thanks alot!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 12, 2008, 06:40:19 PM
here.....
(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi167.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu136%2Fkingmike_001%2Ftest.jpg&hash=ffea7938cee08e1c8c65ea4d007fa67a1d68b9f6)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ParadiseEVE on August 12, 2008, 07:18:59 PM
Blazinkaos have you tryed the second ground point yet?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 12, 2008, 07:28:26 PM
no but i will for u if u want...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ParadiseEVE on August 12, 2008, 07:45:12 PM
it would be greatly appreciated if you could, i never fixed that LED but i dont care. i'll just buy a new controller for regular use, and i'll mod this one. also my Soldering iron is only a 6 watt so its very dificult to solder considering the wires wont heat up for me to add the solder. so im going to get a higher voltage soldering iron and try again and hopefully that other ground works cause i seriously damaged the LED ground.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 12, 2008, 07:50:44 PM
ight man consider it done give a day or so cuz i have to work and all... so yea...and yes 6 watt wont do u any good get a 15-20 watt soldering iron...then u are set and also 30 gauge wire...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: FrankieB4 on August 12, 2008, 08:37:27 PM
Blazinkaos,

I have seen that image, i just dont know where exactly to solder the wire, to the left side of the led? or what, i need an exact placement because its not working, and has anyone used the other spot instead of the one near the led? please a quick repsonse would be apreciated
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ParadiseEVE on August 12, 2008, 09:11:27 PM
FrankieB4 the ground is on the left of the LED, and thanks Blazinkaos  i have no problem waiting i have to work as well so i'll be checking back when i have chance. I'll be sure to get that 15-20 soldering iron and i have the 30 guage wire now. thanks again.

Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: FrankieB4 on August 13, 2008, 08:46:55 AM
Here are the links to the three photos I have taken

Image 1:(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg211.imageshack.us%2Fimg211%2F2535%2Fpicture1eh1.png&hash=dbab9f8ae7ce840bb06295f72b9bd6fa8c81ad62) (http://imageshack.us)


Image 2: (https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg244.imageshack.us%2Fimg244%2F3192%2Fpicture2ir2.png&hash=9555b70e9fef1c27b12849a874194b7560c7d031) (http://imageshack.us)


Image 3: (https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg165.imageshack.us%2Fimg165%2F3504%2Fpicture3db1.png&hash=f9dac85b92c0d804baeca8f554b35226631a8301) (http://imageshack.us)


Image 4: (https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg528.imageshack.us%2Fimg528%2F1861%2Fpicture4mh4.png&hash=85f5325cf3a0c98c106acf99c0c0f6dc797977e6) (http://imageshack.us)


This is what I have done so far. When I click in the momentary switch which I got off another xbox 360 controller, nothing happens, but when I pull the right trigger, it fires normal. If I pull the right trigger and the push the momentary switch, nothing fires. I have used a TP19 controller 30 gauge wire and everything. I do not see the problem. Also, I am testing this on halo 3, if thats a problem. P.S. is my soldering to the led ground correct?

Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: staticvoid on August 13, 2008, 09:25:19 AM
the two ground points in the tutorial are both on the same trace meaning there is no difference solder to the easier of the 2.



there are different "old style" controller boards.
-016 works with led ground
-014 will not work with led ground, it will work with rumble(not sure how stable)


if you do a controller please add to this list.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: FrankieB4 on August 13, 2008, 10:08:05 AM
Where do I look for 016 or 014?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ParadiseEVE on August 13, 2008, 10:19:33 AM
Where do I look for 016 or 014?

Yea that what id like to know...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: FrankieB4 on August 13, 2008, 11:05:37 AM
Okay, now when I push my switch, it fires, but does not make a pistol in COD4 or Halo shoot super fast, its just like hitting the trigger really fast, which defeats the purpose of rapid fire. It also isnt very solid fire, its broken up somewhat.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on August 13, 2008, 11:11:59 AM
No one ever said it was super fast rapidfire. Also, Make sure your tact switch pins are wired right. And make sure you're using used batteries, or the PnC pack or else it won't work right.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: staticvoid on August 13, 2008, 11:27:58 AM
look under your battery pack for a barcode
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Winterz117 on August 13, 2008, 11:31:05 AM
now what if you wanted to use the right trigger for rapid fire? is there a way to make it so that the switch activates or deactivates rapid fire for the right trigger?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: FrankieB4 on August 13, 2008, 01:47:35 PM
It works, but mine is just like normal speed, if you used a machine gun in cod4 with the trigger, and then then with my swtich, you would see no difference, or is that normal? and the hand guns in the videos look to shoot super fast, mine with the switch shoots normal speed as if you were pulling the trigger alot.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 13, 2008, 02:02:20 PM
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FrankieB4 the ground is on the left of the LED, and thanks Blazinkaos  i have no problem waiting i have to work as well so i'll be checking back when i have chance. I'll be sure to get that 15-20 soldering iron and i have the 30 guage wire now. thanks again.

Ight man thanks for being patient. Ur welcome as well.

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Where do I look for 016 or 014?
Right under the battery pack for example FrankieB4 pic shows the barcode see were 014 is in red...
(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi161.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft213%2Fmeatballboy%2Facidmods%2Fpicture1eh1.png&hash=58456921795a7dd84e59ea240514e761e3666365)

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now what if you wanted to use the right trigger for rapid fire? is there a way to make it so that the switch activates or deactivates rapid fire for the right trigger?
I believe that has to do with a sleeper but im not sure. LIke if you were to do that i think... you would need sleeper as well..so u can turn the rapid fire off..





Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Winterz117 on August 13, 2008, 02:26:51 PM
im relatively n00bish, can you explain about sleepers and how to install them? id just rather toggle rapid 
with a button and then be able to fire like normal :help: :help: is that what a sleeper will let me do?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ParadiseEVE on August 13, 2008, 08:41:46 PM
but my barcode is 009? so how does that work
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Arsic on August 13, 2008, 09:55:21 PM
The barcode is different for 3 of my controllers. Two are 064 and one is 007. The 064s are from the blue controllers.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: wilson08 on August 14, 2008, 01:48:07 AM
You can check what board you have by taking the battery pack off and looking at the PCB .. It should look like the pic of thd old matrix... I havent gt a  pic atm, but there is one in the tutorial i did
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: FrankieB4 on August 14, 2008, 08:20:59 AM
I think you had it backwards, 016 isnt working with led ground at all, and 014 does
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: staticvoid on August 14, 2008, 09:18:49 AM
no i didnt have it backwards. i was hoping we could make a list of usable controllers but guess not.

anyone know what the difference is in the old type boards?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Nemesis000 on August 14, 2008, 01:25:15 PM
Could you tell em how to find the controller version as i wonna give this a bash!!! Cheers :help:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bubs on August 14, 2008, 03:32:03 PM
I did this mod using the second ground point (the one under R21) and it works great. The LED ground point didn't seem to stay very stable. Has anyone found a way to get the mod to work on fully charged batteries?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 14, 2008, 07:03:46 PM
hmm idk for now just dnt use fully charged batteries.

The barcodes idk i havent even checked the ones im working with...

That im gonna try to find out wats the diff between the old and new controllers..
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ParadiseEVE on August 14, 2008, 07:45:05 PM
Ok guys i tryed it out and broke my controller ...BUT the result is..... IT WORKED.
and blazinkaos i tryed in on the other LED ground and it works, so thanks. 
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: THEDIMKO on August 15, 2008, 02:20:24 AM
HEY GUYS I JUST REGISTERED AND I TRIED THE TUTORIAL AND I GOT IT ALL TO WORK ... I THINK PUTTING THE THING TOGETHER WAS THE MOST DIFFICULT PART BUT I SOLDERED TO THE LED AND THE RIGHT TRIGGER AND IT SEEMS LIKE ... WITH THE BATTERY PACKS ( NYKO RECHARGE ) IT WILL ONLY WORK EVERY .... SAY 3 MINUTES ? AND WITH THE AA BATTERY PACK AND IT WORKS NEARLY FLAWLESS BUT IT SEEMS TO .... SKIP ? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE IT WILL FLAIR UP AND SHOOT FAST FOR A SPLIT SECOND ... PAUSE AND THEN START OVER AGAIN LIKE REAL UNEVEN PULSE'S ... AND IDEAS ?


SORRY FOR THE CAPS ... ITS 5:20 AM ... I DIDNT NOTICE UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE  :beg:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazzed Troll on August 15, 2008, 09:46:32 AM
Hey I just decided to mod my controller...I'm not a complete nub and I did read this whole thing but I never did figure out...Does the original method 2 wires momentary off (on) switch two the middle trigger pin and led ground work....
I am gonna go to radio shack soon and buy some stuff...If I got a 555 timer (the low powerd 1.5V to 25V one) some wire and a switch would that be enough....i mean if the pulse was just not pusling and thats why it didnt work could I just make a pulse or buy something that pulsed and do it like
Middle Pin -> something pulsing -> switch -> ground or do i need the transistors and sh*t too...I mean if you dont need them for the momentary switch like in the videos why would you need them otherwise...or is that whole Idea completley shot
Im looking for the easiest way to make one...I dont want to order special pieces or anything I want to go to radio shack grab some stuff and solder it together

Ill be back in a bit to check for answers....
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bubs on August 15, 2008, 08:47:38 PM
Okay, this is what I have so far. I have built a controller using both methods. Building the controller with the 555 timer, capacitors, transistors and resistors worked extremely well, but it cost over ten times as much, took well over ten times as long and the finished mod is rather large. Unless you know how to freeform a circuit without using a PCB board, it's almost impossible to fit it into a controller without sacrificing a rumble motor and even then with freeforming it still takes some planning on how to freeform to fit it in the controller, but again, it worked flawlessly.

As for this new method of soldering from the middle trigger pin to any type of switch then to the ground on the LED, it works to some extent. Yes, it does skip at times. I believe it wouldn't skip if a potentiometer were used to adjust the pulse rate like used in the 555 timer circuit. I will be testing this to find out if it's possible. The skipping is not a major problem compared to costs and ease of the mod. The only other problem is that the mod will not work at all with fully charged AA batteries or a fully charged battery pack. I found that the voltage is too high between the LED and the batteries when they're fully charged. Normal AA batteries put out 1.5 V each for a total for 3.0 V. I tried Energizer rechargeable batteries, they put out 1.2 V each for a total of 2.4 V and they worked fully charged perfectly. This confirms that the voltage is the problem. I've begun testing reducing the voltage to 2.5 V with an adjustable 3-pin voltage regulator but I have been unsuccessful with figuring out a working circuit for it as of yet. If anyone has any ideas on how it would fit into the circuit or any other way of lowering the voltage via resistors or any other component, please let me know.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Winterz117 on August 16, 2008, 12:51:17 PM
is the method using a 555 timer different from the kits you can buy on ebay? if so can anyone point me towards the instructions for that? i kinda want to compare all the methods and see which one i want to try...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: DjBulletFast on August 17, 2008, 07:22:08 AM
Guys it seriously worth just buying the chip set from  AcidMods King and his web sight http://wiredinput.com/ShopUSA/ I bought the chip set for $13 I have never solder before and got it up and running in less than an hour. It is completely worth it because it works on old and new style controllers and you don't have to worry about burning out your LED light or having it on controller one or your battery's being used.  Skip the headaches. You have to solder more but the spots are easy to solder.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: DjBulletFast on August 17, 2008, 07:25:13 AM
is the method using a 555 timer different from the kits you can buy on ebay? if so can anyone point me towards the instructions for that? i kinda want to compare all the methods and see which one i want to try...

Here is the instructions for the
NEW RapidFire Dual Triggers Kit [New & Old Style Controllers]
[PIC12F683 B]    $12.99

https://www.acidmods.com/forum/index.php?topic=21452.0
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 17, 2008, 05:09:21 PM
Quote
Guys it seriously worth just buying the chip set from  AcidMods King and his web sight http://wiredinput.com/ShopUSA/ I bought the chip set for $13 I have never solder before and got it up and running in less than an hour. It is completely worth it because it works on old and new style controllers and you don't have to worry about burning out your LED light or having it on controller one or your battery's being used.  Skip the headaches. You have to solder more but the spots are easy to solder.
Ooo i would suggest trying to practice soldering before trying this. Practice on a old mobo of something and see if you comfortable soldering.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: DjBulletFast on August 17, 2008, 08:59:24 PM
I practiced a bit by soldering two wires together lol but the joints are really not that small so it really wasn't to bad the hardest part of the job was routing the cables so it wouldn't pinch and break them while putting it back together I had to re solder two wires because they got clipped while closing them the first time putting it back together. But other wise works like a champ I love gunning people down with fully auto pistol. I completely recommend buying the kit. 
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 18, 2008, 04:46:07 PM
What kinda wire you using..
Try goin slow at it so the wiring dnt get messed up take ur time...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: jads on August 19, 2008, 02:23:41 AM
A friend and I tried this mod today just for giggles.
First of all, it doesn't seem to work even a first-gen wired controller.
We used a TP19 old-style wireless controller next. Soldered the wires up, and it would work every once in a while, but not consistently.
We then remembered the note about not using fresh AA batteries....so we snatched the AA's out of the TV remote, popped em in the controller....now it works great every time.
Just for info, we soldered to the left side of the P1 LED.
So, if you guys have problems with the mod...don't use wired or rechargeable, make sure you're using USED AA batteries.

I'm getting the same inconsistency problem, does anyone know how old the batteries have to be (in Volts) so I can use a multimeter to see if thats the problem. Soldering onto he LED 1 ground and Middle Pin of trigger is perfect. It works, just not very consistent. (not complaining - just want to know if this is a problem encountered by others and the Voltage of battteries classed as 'old')

Also, whats the 555 timer method like? anyone recommend using chip kits? SO button combo's are possible too?

Thanks

-Jads
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: jads on August 19, 2008, 02:33:16 AM
Okay, this is what I have so far. I have built a controller using both methods. Building the controller with the 555 timer, capacitors, transistors and resistors worked extremely well, but it cost over ten times as much, took well over ten times as long and the finished mod is rather large. Unless you know how to freeform a circuit without using a PCB board, it's almost impossible to fit it into a controller without sacrificing a rumble motor and even then with freeforming it still takes some planning on how to freeform to fit it in the controller, but again, it worked flawlessly.

I was thinking, look at the pictures here: http://www.consolecustoms.net/tutorials/360_single_button_rapid_tutorial_8pin.pdf

They just glue the chip to the bottom right hand corner of the board and they go from there, I though that was quite clever. You could then use the rumble are for components. Only problem is, the mod becomes permenant...

-Jads

P.S. Sorry if this is a double post  :beg:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazzed Troll on August 19, 2008, 08:10:14 AM
no i didnt have it backwards. i was hoping we could make a list of usable controllers but guess not.

anyone know what the difference is in the old type boards?

well even though they are the same style of board (Matrix) all boards are different.  I mean they can all be made perfect so really one controller might have a slightly worse voltage efficiency than the next which may only be off be like .1 or .2 volts but with chips that use pulses and timers that could be the difference between a 20shots per second and a 5 shot then break and 10 shots per second.
That and then again batteries while AA are 1.5 each over their life they slowly do loose some voltage maybe like .1 per batteries which is .2 overall so again maybe that effects it...thats why the methods with resistors and chips almost always work.  The resistor sets voltage and the chip is a constant code so if it gets 1.5 volts it executes the same as 1.4 volts but pulse can be slowed like a motor(More volts makes motors faster).  So really if you dont know what you are doing you should buy a chip set and just solder the 5 or 6 wires....but if you know how a circuit works and you have a voltage meter and can check the volts between two spots then go ahead and test your controller with a timer or a switch using led ground pulse...your controller might just get a little messy soldering and unsoldering.

I have my circuit planned out and have found all the parts I need from looking at these pictures of the Matrix controller which i have...but I can get two screws out...the T8H bit I have is two fat by the hand so it doesnt fit all the way in im thinking of cutting out some so i can fit it in...but a new bit is only like $2 anyone know where I can get a more narrow bit so I can test and start posting resullts(P.S. no ordering I cant trust these people some of my stuff has been lost, my mail men arent very trust worthy)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Winterz117 on August 19, 2008, 12:12:30 PM
im currently working on perfecting the fire rate of the 555 timer method, because for me it does sputter alot,  every once in a while. the loss of voltage does come into play so im working on using an led as a resistor that doubles as an indicator light, and using a potentiometer to adjust the voltage as the batteries loose power
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: DjBulletFast on August 20, 2008, 04:36:19 PM
I'm using the chip kit now, and I have had no problems with mine sputtering or any thing. I have the two switch method on mine. It works by when u press the the switch it turns it on and you use the trigger to fire and it does rapid. Turn it off with the switch and it goes back to single fire per pull of the trigger. I found it very easy to install just follow instructions and TA DA! your mowing people down. I would recommend making your self a contraption to hold the wire or a buddy while you solder.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Winterz117 on August 20, 2008, 06:58:08 PM
yeah thats a good way to doit, the chips are way more consistent than the 555timer method
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: themagicsauce on August 21, 2008, 07:41:28 PM
Does it matter what type of switch i use or does it have to be a tact switch.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 21, 2008, 08:08:18 PM
switch for what...to turn of rapid fire...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: themagicsauce on August 21, 2008, 08:17:51 PM
To do the first method posted sodering one wire to the middle spike for the rt and the second wire to the p1 led with the switch in between.  i bought this one hoping i could use it.  http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062508&cp=&sr=1&origkw=Momentary+Switch&kw=momentary+switch&parentPage=search
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 21, 2008, 08:42:09 PM
Yea simple... just solder it right and make a hole for ut button, glue and done...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: themagicsauce on August 21, 2008, 08:45:44 PM
Cool thanks just making sure before i wonder why it isnt working.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 21, 2008, 08:46:58 PM
yea hmm wait that is a switch ur using isnt it for the button...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: themagicsauce on August 21, 2008, 08:58:11 PM
yeah but its not like a push on push off switch as far as i can tell.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 21, 2008, 08:59:19 PM
nono u need a button one that u push and and it comes up automatically not a switch...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: themagicsauce on August 21, 2008, 09:00:34 PM
yeah it does come up automatically
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 21, 2008, 09:08:56 PM
oh ok well just try it out and that see if it works and if any more ussues accure just come back and ask...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: wilson08 on August 22, 2008, 03:21:52 AM
Dont use a "clicky" Button - You need one that when you push it turns on, when you let go it turns off !:D
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 22, 2008, 06:20:50 AM
yes there you go... :tup:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: themagicsauce on August 22, 2008, 09:32:00 AM
YAY I did it and it works great.:clap: 
BTW I have figured out that when my  battery pack has low battery the lights flash making the p1 light go on and off.  This is why some people experience that mod working incorrectly as in not firing the whole clip at once or only firing one bullet.  I switched my battery pack to a fully charged one and it works perfectly everytime! :tup:  No need to buy anything else like that new three wire piece.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 22, 2008, 09:24:35 PM
Alrighty then nice work man...enjoy and good job....
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: JWhiteLightning on August 23, 2008, 04:41:04 PM
Man, ive tried 3 different switches with this, all of them momentary, and they where all just single fire. Will an SMT tact switch like the one pictured work?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 23, 2008, 09:59:45 PM
Then use that and make sure ur controller is compatible with this mod..
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: happytomato on August 24, 2008, 09:05:01 AM
I have modded 2 my controllers, and I don't know if UK ones are different or something. But on rainbow, when I set the gun to single shot and press the turbo button, it is not evenly automatic. It sorta fires auto for a bit then stops for half a second then starts again. Also, on halo 3, the button works at first, then stops working, then will work when I end the game and change map. I know it sounds like a dodgy switch/connection but I've checked and rechecked everything and it happens on both of my controllers. Do you know what's going on?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 24, 2008, 01:53:22 PM
hmm well for this it post to only work for COD4 no rainbow or halo...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: TweekGeek on August 26, 2008, 07:12:26 PM
Hey guys!  I just tried the mod a couple days ago and it worked great on both my t19 older version controllers.  I've been reading alot of the posts and sense a bit of frustration from some of you.  When I was puting together my second mod, I had a problem with the gun firing continuous without pushing the button, apparently I connected to the same side of the momentary switch.  I had some problems with the same controller when #1 and #2 leds both melting off.  The controller still works because I connected to the alternate solder point.  Just remember, try not to overheat any of the components on the circuit board when soldering, you may damage a component and you will never know why your controller isn't working like it is supposed to.  Coat your wire first and then touch the end of the wire to the point you want to make a connection, then place the soldering iron on the wire.  The heat will travel to the connection point and transfer the solder to the joint.  Remove the iron while carefully holding the wire in place for a second or two.  That should do it, if not, start over.  Like I said, unless you know your circuits and you got the right meters to test them, you won't know what you just fried and you will think this mod just doesn't work!  If you realy want a video to see it in action, I'll be happy to post one in focus (no BS).  I have yet to have luck with this mod on the new controller.  If anyone has figured the new controller out without a chip, please let me know!  Good Soldering.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Flinch107 on August 26, 2008, 07:27:07 PM
I modded my "old style" controller on Sunday and it works perfectly.  Everything they tell you is true.  If you use alkaline batteries make sure they aren't brand new.  If the batteries are low and the LED's are circling it works but sporadically.  If you are having trouble with your momentary switch you need to make sure that it is one of the "normally open" types.  Also, try and find the lowest profile switch you can or get one of the little 1/4" square types... makes it easier to place for your comfort.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: TweekGeek on August 26, 2008, 09:27:55 PM
Turns out after trying to mod two of my kids friends controllers, we are dealing with several different versions, not just "old" and "new".  I just got lucky on the first two of mine that I tried.  The two controllers I tried today were one old and one new version.  The old version belonging to this guy looked almost identical to mine except it had more black on the contact circles where the controller buttons are pressed to the board, and the LED was brighter?  I could not get the older controller to even give me one shot with the mod button?  The newer controller obviously did not work.  I just ordered 4 chips from http://wiredinput.com/ShopUSA/  I'm Tired of messin around, these chips should do the trick!!!  Good Luck!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: wilson08 on August 27, 2008, 08:47:42 AM
Turns out after trying to mod two of my kids friends controllers, we are dealing with several different versions, not just "old" and "new".  I just got lucky on the first two of mine that I tried.  The two controllers I tried today were one old and one new version.  The old version belonging to this guy looked almost identical to mine except it had more black on the contact circles where the controller buttons are pressed to the board, and the LED was brighter?  I could not get the older controller to even give me one shot with the mod button?  The newer controller obviously did not work.  I just ordered 4 chips from http://wiredinput.com/ShopUSA/  I'm Tired of messin around, these chips should do the trick!!!  Good Luck!
Yh the chips are definately worth it, the "sleeper" mod is great - no external buttons
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: 802Chives on August 27, 2008, 09:17:26 AM
Hey all, been thinking about this a bit, and sorry if it has been mentioned before.  If people want this to work consistantly, they could use a PnC cable, hack a couple traces and use a linear reagulator to achieve the correct voltage where this hack works correctly.

Here is what I would try:
Find where the +5 comes in from the PnC cable to the controller and Isolate the trace by cutting around it (probably on both sides).
Then I would get a LM317 regualtor and the correct resistors to give the correct voltage (Im guessing 2.7V and check the spec sheet for resistor selection)
From there just wire ground to ground, Input to +5V, and output to positive battery terminal.

That would give you a consistant acting controller.  Also you could add a potentiometer to the LM317 and possibly get a little adjustability out of your LED PWM signal :victory:

Personally tho I would get a chip from KINGMIKE_OS, he has the best stuff going  :laughing:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 27, 2008, 06:22:44 PM
In addition has anyone heard if the sleep works perfectly at alll planning on wanting that done...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Winterz117 on August 27, 2008, 06:42:37 PM
you know its just alot easier to get the chip for 8 bucks and wire up a sleeper instead of hacking traces to put in linear regulators and whatnot, idk do what you want but you cant really get the consistency of a chip without a chip
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: wilson08 on August 28, 2008, 01:01:17 AM
In addition has anyone heard if the sleep works perfectly at alll planning on wanting that done...
Yes works perfectly, everytime!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Madmodsmike on August 28, 2008, 05:29:55 PM
Ok so I did this mod (on a wired controller) instead of soldering the wires (because I sux at that) I duct taped them to the circuit board I have the trigger wire placed, however I do not know where the led ground is on a wired board. anyone have a picture they can show labeling an led ground?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Madmodsmike on August 28, 2008, 05:55:57 PM
I take it there is noone who can help?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: JWhiteLightning on August 28, 2008, 08:21:13 PM
Hey everyone, i Finally solved my problem, If you are doing this mod, make sure your buttons are direct current. I used 3 AC and none of them worked, then i tried a DC, and it worked. The ones at radioshack are all AC, i think it is like 125VAC, you need the 125VDC for this to work (at least for me, thats what it seemed like).

Like i said, i dont think radio shack has any DC switches.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: TweekGeek on August 29, 2008, 10:34:19 AM
I haven't seen a difference between switches.  A switch works on either DC or AC.  Just make sure the switch can handle the voltage.  Now, which mod where you guys talking about that alows you to use the trigger and not install a switch?  I've read a reference to it somewhere but can't nail it down.  I noticed the trigger soldered directly to the board under the drigger mechanisme so there is no way to seperate the mechanisme without taking the chance of seriously &%*&$*@ up the board or trigger.  You would have to seperate the circuit to the trigger and bypass it with a switch.  Unless someone has any other ideas?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: kink192 on August 29, 2008, 06:18:26 PM
I haven't seen a difference between switches.  A switch works on either DC or AC.  Just make sure the switch can handle the voltage.  Now, which mod where you guys talking about that alows you to use the trigger and not install a switch?  I've read a reference to it somewhere but can't nail it down.  I noticed the trigger soldered directly to the board under the drigger mechanisme so there is no way to seperate the mechanisme without taking the chance of seriously &%*&$*@ up the board or trigger.  You would have to seperate the circuit to the trigger and bypass it with a switch.  Unless someone has any other ideas?
its called the sleeper rapid fire mod...its sold on the shop site wired input...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on August 30, 2008, 07:41:31 AM
Quote
Yes works perfectly, everytime!
Thanks wilson... :yess:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: mookie123 on August 31, 2008, 08:04:54 PM
KingMike will edit this with the images needed... We have been holding back on this for months now but it is time to stop the bull :censored: theives making money off of our members...

how can u tell that a controller is a wireless cg board
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on August 31, 2008, 08:19:28 PM
Ok i think i have a way of doing Rapid Fire On Trigger with no chip .. i have to test it i get back to you guys.

Ok I tested Yup there is way to do No chip rapid fire On Trigger .. heh so it will be sleeper with no external Switch

I will Post Information on this Later. " Note This Will Only Work On Matrix Board Only"


Quote
how can u tell that a controller is a wireless cg board

Here Images of both type of controller old and new :

(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi167.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu136%2Fkingmike_001%2FMatrixWirelessBoard.jpg&hash=b86e7ff0cf3a8768bb924f3e8ccca5a168e9bdfe)(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi167.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu136%2Fkingmike_001%2FCGWirelessBoard.jpg&hash=edd37b305ad35770b72492f55b8b6a5dc4024bc9)
(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi167.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu136%2Fkingmike_001%2FNewWirelessBoardBottom-1.jpg&hash=b05404de9c72c12341d4353db2078185526f2e11)
(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi167.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu136%2Fkingmike_001%2FNewWirelessBoardTop-1.jpg&hash=bbe5eb67b6d54204ba62c4689855721e7f798060)
(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi167.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu136%2Fkingmike_001%2FOldWirelessBoardBottom-1.jpg&hash=9baf60310792b2dd20eb24088eef5d467ded5a01)
(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi167.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu136%2Fkingmike_001%2FOldWirelessBoardTop-1.jpg&hash=18b068f4c0a207386e0a55b3556adc9cece62d75)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: JWhiteLightning on August 31, 2008, 09:26:34 PM
Wait, so it is supposed to work either DC or AC? WTF? Ive tried 3 different momentary switches (all of which were AC) that were single fire. And they were 125V, so im not worried there. KingMike, what kinda Switch did you use? Ive used 3 different momentaries from radio shack, and even tried a tact from radio shack , none of which worked. Here are the three ive tried, and they were all just single fire(oh, and i tried on both old and new style controllers).

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062539&cp=&sr=1&origkw=momentary+buttons&kw=momentary+buttons&parentPage=search (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062539&cp=&sr=1&origkw=momentary+buttons&kw=momentary+buttons&parentPage=search)

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062501&cp=&sr=1&origkw=momentary+buttons&kw=momentary+buttons&parentPage=search (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062501&cp=&sr=1&origkw=momentary+buttons&kw=momentary+buttons&parentPage=search)

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062508&cp=&sr=1&origkw=momentary+buttons&kw=momentary+buttons&parentPage=search (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062508&cp=&sr=1&origkw=momentary+buttons&kw=momentary+buttons&parentPage=search)

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3060978&cp=&sr=1&origkw=tact+switch&kw=tact+switch&parentPage=search (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3060978&cp=&sr=1&origkw=tact+switch&kw=tact+switch&parentPage=search)

None of em worked, i think im gonna just buy a PIC, woulda been cheaper anyway.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KingMike_OS on August 31, 2008, 11:29:47 PM
I use the switch on  3rd link and 4th link or the one i sell on the website
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Hazer on September 01, 2008, 07:20:27 AM
Just a side note:

When a mechanical switch (and these are) says it is 125VAC or 120VDC, it is thier maximum ratings. There is no way to make a switch work on AC or DC only.

Now, the type of switch used can be sloppy for DC switching. The bigger switches tend to have alot of debounce.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: omgitsdan on September 01, 2008, 07:00:45 PM
Hey guys, I just had to make an account to show my appreciation for this incredible mod! I was pretty skeptical when I saw the "kits" on ebay and I was glad to find a method that only cost me $2.99  :tup:

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/994/0901082048dm1.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/994/0901082048dm1.jpg)
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1604/0901082048aqb5.jpg (http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1604/0901082048aqb5.jpg)

Works great and the button I bought was perfect, as it is big enough to be right next to the real trigger (I hot glue-gunned it to keep it in place).

Anyway, I'm off to play some COD  :cool:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on September 02, 2008, 10:52:26 AM
mmm yea its cool even tho its really visible...

The switched for link 3 and 4 should work they worked for me...and others controllers i modded..
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: tymopar44 on September 04, 2008, 05:13:01 PM
Hey guys im new to this but if you guys would help me it would be greatly appreciated . i have a cg style controller and a matrix controller the older style and i was wondering if someone was willing to help and give me some pics of what i need to do to make them a turbo controller with or without a chip without if possible thanks
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: thedarkness on September 04, 2008, 05:52:13 PM
is there ANY possible way of using this method with an older controller w/o the chip in the center?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on September 04, 2008, 06:12:51 PM
Did you guys take the time to read through the whole thread..
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: thedarkness on September 04, 2008, 06:22:17 PM
Well where can I get an older controller then?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on September 04, 2008, 06:30:45 PM
Well either ebay or um u can ask around acidmods see if someone can sell u one...or if that to much maybe one the members can do the mod for u ur choice..
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: thedarkness on September 04, 2008, 06:32:45 PM
ok thanks for the input
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on September 04, 2008, 06:37:10 PM
Yup no problem..
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Evilslayer73 on September 07, 2008, 10:05:39 AM
hi every body i have a new cg controller and i have a question does i need absolutely a chip 555 for it work on a new cg or there is another solution thanks  :psp:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: phillyman1025 on September 07, 2008, 06:08:04 PM
Does the point not on the LED still work if I burnt the LED? Also how did you wire it through the controller so the buttons did not get in the way? Any help would be great.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on September 07, 2008, 06:14:11 PM
Guys plz read the whole thread there are pics of ppl doing theres and how they did....
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: thedarkness on September 07, 2008, 07:13:38 PM
hi every body i have a new cg controller and i have a question does i need absolutely a chip 555 for it work on a new cg or there is another solution thanks  :psp:
sleeper mod from acid mods store. get the kit. its like 13 bucks.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on September 07, 2008, 09:07:54 PM
thank you someone read the thread.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: cod4sniper. on September 11, 2008, 09:30:26 AM
will this work with an old wired controller???  :boxed:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SplitboXer on September 13, 2008, 08:49:56 PM
Mike you're still the man... Where ya been??!! :)

This worked first try no problem.    If you guys read the first post mike made you will have no issues...   

#1  Make sure you have an "old style" wireless controller.
#2  Solder as the diagram shows.   Either to the led or to the spot on the board.  (Mine is on the board and works perfect.)
#3  Put controller back together carefully.   
#4  Do not use brand new batteries,  I found that any battery in my home (ie, tv remotes, toys, etc) work.... no problem.   Batteries that have been in a controller for more than 15 minutes of play work also.  Rechargeable batteries should work fully charged or not.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: chunkyyluvr5 on September 15, 2008, 06:10:44 PM
Couple questions:
How do we tell if out controller has the new chipset (or whatever)
Where could we get a button like that
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SplitboXer on September 15, 2008, 06:20:20 PM
For your first question.... use the search button.
second, you can get them at ANY Radio Shack or local electronics store.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on September 15, 2008, 10:27:11 PM
For your first question.... use the search button.
second, you can get them at ANY Radio Shack or local electronics store.

^^^^ Gotta help out the new ppl u kno...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SplitboXer on September 16, 2008, 01:22:57 PM
I thought I was helping?
I thought I was helping.  :dntknw:


I do not have a wired controller to test this but below are a few pictures of the ring LED layout on the controller,  it appears the connection points are different.   I did not take these pictures, I found them on another website.
Wireless layout
(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.360-hq.com%2Fimages%2Ftutorials%2Fuploads%2Fea44ad7b271eddf9bb978a922f602a813c40a24e.jpg&hash=b24ac69c23442bcbb2d70c6c140284c37e356d13)

Wired layout
(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.360-hq.com%2Fimages%2Ftutorials%2Fuploads%2F99484b2b5ae16d62b454cfd1ca23a68665013d0e.jpg&hash=caf0a77edf6b146a8f3a9cba4fdbe9caa91925d6)

It seems that if you wired to the to either spot on the board marked with 1, or the right side of the LED it self this would work on a wired controller.    Has anybody tested this?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on September 16, 2008, 10:07:08 PM
yea well this mod is very easy and if the lights dnt light switch the led around thats what i did and works great and very glowy too.
But good pics did make those SplitboXer or did u find them.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: wilson08 on September 17, 2008, 10:44:58 AM


.   I did not take these pictures, I found them on another website.


:winker:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Fallen GFX on September 17, 2008, 06:41:20 PM
worked perfect for me!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on September 17, 2008, 10:46:26 PM
yes see easy. Shouldnt be a problem.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: stiannxxx on September 18, 2008, 01:23:29 AM
But what kind of Wire/cable should i use? does it matter? Plz help
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: surffinn on September 18, 2008, 12:47:05 PM
Does this work with only wireless...cause i want to use it on a wired but its just acting like a 2nd rt trigger...Help....thanks  :confused: :confused:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on September 18, 2008, 07:45:54 PM
Guys it works both withless and wired i did on both.

But what kind of Wire/cable should i use? does it matter? Plz help
What u mean more detail.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SplitboXer on September 18, 2008, 09:52:39 PM
But what kind of Wire/cable should i use? does it matter? Plz help

I took an old cat5 cable and stripped it and used a pair of the wires in there.    30 gauge wire is what is recommended.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on September 18, 2008, 10:22:25 PM
r u trying to add more leds is that what u r doing. Didnt understand what u were asking.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: cory94bailly on September 20, 2008, 07:37:42 PM
But what kind of Wire/cable should i use? does it matter? Plz help

24-30 Gauge is recommended.

Link: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062642&cp=&sr=1&kw=wires&origkw=wires&parentPage=search (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062642&cp=&sr=1&kw=wires&origkw=wires&parentPage=search)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on September 20, 2008, 08:04:12 PM
30 works way better go with that...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: dailen on September 21, 2008, 07:58:35 AM
This mod works quite well.  After hearing about people using modded controllers i decided to poke my nose around on the net and found this site rather quickly.  I was somewhat skeptical about doing this mod but after a few minutes (lol) of debating I went to radioshack.

The first attempt I got the rapid fire to work but during the re-assemble process the led came lose.  I'm assuming that I heated the led too much.  So then I filed down the tip of my iron to a more pinpoint tip and successfully modded 2 more controllers.

The good thing about this mod is if you do dmg the led and can't solder to #1 player led the controller still works.

Thx for the mod, just one question though.  How boring does it get trying to figure these awesome things out?

edit:Also, for you CoD fans I hear Infinity Ward is going to be putting speed limits on the G3 and the pistols.  It will be funny if they do that and not the .50 cal sniper.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: kev7572002 on September 23, 2008, 11:24:23 AM
ive tried this on a wireless controler and a wired controler and it did not work it was only a single shot button
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on September 23, 2008, 09:37:29 PM
did u check see if they were the newer versions or older versions...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: dailen on September 25, 2008, 06:21:57 AM
also make sure you are not using new batteries.  With new batteries the controller will only do a single shot from the mod.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: scubasteve on September 25, 2008, 11:23:54 AM
ok i have this soldered in and i have the button firing but its still single burst instead of autofire help plz
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ncrmoe on September 25, 2008, 03:28:52 PM
Ok hey everyone Just decided to register I been reading through most of the threads here and got everything soldered done.  it works and all i just had to take out the right rumble cause it was touching switch or wires and wasnt working that way but no biggie i cant tell a difference.  Only problem is my right Bumper is not working.  The throw grenade or throw back grenade, at first i thought it dont matter but it really does lol...any advice?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: blackburn on September 25, 2008, 05:16:22 PM
Ok hey everyone Just decided to register I been reading through most of the threads here and got everything soldered done.  it works and all i just had to take out the right rumble cause it was touching switch or wires and wasnt working that way but no biggie i cant tell a difference.  Only problem is my right Bumper is not working.  The throw grenade or throw back grenade, at first i thought it dont matter but it really does lol...any advice?

either you burnt a trace, splashed solder on something, didnt put your plastic bumper buttons in correctly or a wire is in the way
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ncrmoe on September 25, 2008, 05:50:16 PM
Well, I pretty sure i didnt drip anything there and really didnt mess with anything in that area where the right bumper is.  the wires are in a pretty good place, and it seems the little black box with the button for the right bumper is still solid on there, no clicking or sound difference between the two, wish my frag grenades were on the LB.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SplitboXer on September 26, 2008, 10:43:56 PM
I put in brand new fresh batteries tonight and it rapid fired the first time I shot with new batteries....   So... who knows.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Kysar on September 29, 2008, 06:25:59 PM
Hey i got a question,
Im using a 125VAC button, and wired it to the middle thing for the trigger and the player one LED.
All worked fine.
But when i go into COD4, it seems that the button shoots slower than the normal RT.
It seems to lag, like if i hold it down it will shoot 4, wait half a second, shoot 8, wait half a second ect.
But with the RT, it constantly shoots just fine.
Could it be the gun im using? Does this mod only work with certain guns in the game? I forgot what one i was using and i shut my xbox off due to it getting really hot.
So, did i do something wrong, or does it only work with certain guns?

EDIT: I do have a Matrix Wireless.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on September 29, 2008, 10:07:05 PM
Hey i got a question,
Im using a 125VAC button, and wired it to the middle thing for the trigger and the player one LED.
All worked fine.
But when i go into COD4, it seems that the button shoots slower than the normal RT.
It seems to lag, like if i hold it down it will shoot 4, wait half a second, shoot 8, wait half a second ect.
But with the RT, it constantly shoots just fine.
Could it be the gun im using? Does this mod only work with certain guns in the game? I forgot what one i was using and i shut my xbox off due to it getting really hot.
So, did i do something wrong, or does it only work with certain guns?

EDIT: I do have a Matrix Wireless.
I dnt think that is the right button to be using for this mod.
It shouldnt matter what gun should rapid fire with the pistol, G3 automatic sniper...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on September 30, 2008, 07:40:14 AM
Hey i got a question,
Im using a 125VAC button, and wired it to the middle thing for the trigger and the player one LED.
All worked fine.
But when i go into COD4, it seems that the button shoots slower than the normal RT.
It seems to lag, like if i hold it down it will shoot 4, wait half a second, shoot 8, wait half a second ect.
But with the RT, it constantly shoots just fine.
Could it be the gun im using? Does this mod only work with certain guns in the game? I forgot what one i was using and i shut my xbox off due to it getting really hot.
So, did i do something wrong, or does it only work with certain guns?

EDIT: I do have a Matrix Wireless.

It dosnt really matter what button you use, any button with this set up will give that affect. this is due to the software programming in the game. this mod will work for any SIMI automatic gun. and will slow down the fully auto ones. this is software and nothing we can do about it...short of making our own game..LOL

this mod works and is very easy, but it is like hot wiring a car, sure it will start the car, but its not very reliable,and is not the best way to achieve your goal, also you better have a good story when you get pulled over..LOL

as for the xbox getting very hot, thats another issue, and you need to correct this. check for blocked air intake ports, remove it from any enclosure you may have it in so it came get so fresh air.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: BoiseAuctioneer on September 30, 2008, 07:57:27 PM
(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi50.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ff320%2FRDCXBG%2FRepair%2FOldWirelessBoardTop.jpg&hash=9d77913c12bd04652c9828a236682685a9f5aafd)
I have done this mod and it worked. What I want to do is make the right trigger the momentary switch. I want to accomplish this by attaching a rocker switch instead of a momentary switch. However I do not know where to hook up the other wire from the rocker panel switch.

Where would I attach the wire so that when I compress the right trigger it will carry the current from the led ground to the right trigger?

Please let me know if I need to elaborate.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on October 01, 2008, 07:59:54 AM
this mod dont work like that. you need to buy a pic from the acidmods store to do what you are asking for. I asume you are thinking of a sleeper set up. this is nothing new and you will need a progamed chip.

if you want, you can change your push button to a rocker switch, but when you flip it it will just keep firing untill you turn it off agian, this would be kind of useless.

the sleeper mod has an on/off button and when on you pull the trigger for rapid fire, when its off you pull the trigger and get normal fire.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: BoiseAuctioneer on October 01, 2008, 08:11:06 AM
I guess I just dont understand why there is not a solder point on the board that is an open circuit untill you compress the trigger and close the circuit.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: snowboarder8 on October 03, 2008, 10:56:41 PM
hey i did the mod, but once i get into the game, my controller just gets stuck on rapid fire, and wont stop shooting. can some1 give a solution to this?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on October 04, 2008, 06:11:45 AM
hey i did the mod, but once i get into the game, my controller just gets stuck on rapid fire, and wont stop shooting. can some1 give a solution to this?

sounds like a bad switch. take the wires off the switch, start game and see what happens, then touch them together. if it works replace switch. if not take picture of the wiring and repost
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: helldog 7000 on October 05, 2008, 01:27:50 PM
wat is the sulppies in need wat kind of switch is that that wiers

 :help: :help: :help: :help: :help:
 :yess:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: GSXRGIXXERDAVE on October 05, 2008, 03:21:31 PM
 :drunk:  
LOOK FELLAS, I have been reading the posts for a while now and it seems people are having problems and issues with wiring the momentary switch to the LED or the other "reds" on the board. Well I am going to tell you the easiest way to do it. DO NOT even mess with the LED or any other place on the board!  Follow these easy steps.
1) Go to radio shack and buy a momentary switch, and nothing else.
2) dismantle the controller that you would like to use
3) remove the right rumble (as you are looking at it as it is sitting on a table with the back up)
4) cut the wires off of the rumble
5) cut the plug off of the rumble wires
6) solder those wires on to the momentary switch
7) drill a hole where the rumble was, and mount the switch
8) take one of the wires from one side of the momentary switch, and solder to the middle prong on the trigger (just like everyone else does)
9) SOLDER THE OTHER WIRE FROM THE MOMENTARY SWITCH TO THE BOARD WHERE THE RED FROM THE RUMBLE PLUG GOES THROUGH THE BOARD! (if you solder it to the black side nothing will happen when you test it. It will shoot normal. No big deal remove solder and solder to the other prong.)
10) test
11) reassemble controller and enjoy.

If you want, you can just mail me some money as props! LOL :clap: :hifive:


There you go its that simple and it will cost you a whopping......................... $2.00 !!!!!!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SYSTEM aka (Cyberpyrot) on October 05, 2008, 03:29:31 PM
:drunk:  
LOOK FELLAS, I have been reading the posts for a while now and it seems people are having problems and issues with wiring the momentary switch to the LED or the other "reds" on the board. Well I am going to tell you the easiest way to do it. DO NOT even mess with the LED or any other place on the board!  Follow these easy steps.
1) Go to radio shack and buy a momentary switch, and nothing else.
2) dismantle the controller that you would like to use
3) remove the right rumble (as you are looking at it as it is sitting on a table with the back up)
4) cut the wires off of the rumble
5) cut the plug off of the rumble wires
6) solder those wires on to the momentary switch
7) drill a hole where the rumble was, and mount the switch
8) take one of the wires from one side of the momentary switch, and solder to the middle prong on the trigger (just like everyone else does)
9) SOLDER THE OTHER WIRE FROM THE MOMENTARY SWITCH TO THE BOARD WHERE THE RED FROM THE RUMBLE PLUG GOES THROUGH THE BOARD! (if you solder it to the black side nothing will happen when you test it. It will shoot normal. No big deal remove solder and solder to the other prong.)
10) test
11) reassemble controller and enjoy.

If you want, you can just mail me some money as props! LOL :clap: :hifive:


There you go its that simple and it will cost you a whopping......................... $2.00 !!!!!!


been discussed already several pages back...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: GSXRGIXXERDAVE on October 05, 2008, 03:51:43 PM
I understand, but it seems like others do not understand how easy this method is!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: taylorclark on October 10, 2008, 02:24:53 PM
sweeet! i just did it! how would i hook it up to the left trigger? could i use the same led for both, like attach the wire from the led to two wires, one going to a different button and different trigger?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: dG$ on October 12, 2008, 07:27:23 PM
hey guys i got this controller that im pretty sure is the matrix style..it has TP19 on the back and i was just wondering i have the wires soldered up to my momentary switch the only problem is i dont know exactly where to solder my wires...on my controller you guys are talking about the Top left LED..mine says D1 next to it..do i solder like right on top of it or what? and for the other wire do i solder that on top of that one or to the right because it has something else next to it saying C72...please help me out with this..
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: shortbus9 on October 16, 2008, 07:10:23 PM
dose this work with a plug and play kit or only batteries
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: kink192 on October 16, 2008, 07:13:44 PM
dose this work with a plug and play kit or only batteries
READ... for [deity]'s sake...your like the 80 millionth person to ask that. yes you need to have batteries or like a half dead rechargable...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on October 16, 2008, 07:56:08 PM
yea but there new so they never know wats up... noobs u kno..but gotta respect them and help.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Epoculips on October 17, 2008, 11:04:35 PM
Ok, So i'm to lazy to read through all of the posts.
If I do EXACTLY what the first post says, will this work. Or is there something else I need to know before I do this?

Thanks
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on October 18, 2008, 08:17:57 PM
no the rest are comments and questions ppl have but this mod is was  even tho i recommend the chip version..
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Containm3nt on October 19, 2008, 01:44:32 PM
Well, Im new here, and to the console modding scene, but I have to say this was one of the easiest mods to get working, the hardest part for me was getting past the security torx bits, but I found out how to break the security piece out of em so I could use my regular torx set. Great find guys, thanks. :tup:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on October 19, 2008, 11:42:22 PM
yea it is and torx and middle security thing yea its easy to break and good job now just try other mods.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KN00CK 0N W00D on October 26, 2008, 07:07:00 PM
I'm new so dont give me crap please, but how do I know if my controller is old or new?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: 802Chives on October 26, 2008, 08:01:28 PM
I'm new so dont give me crap please, but how do I know if my controller is old or new?
https://www.acidmods.com/forum/index.php?topic=24699.0 (https://www.acidmods.com/forum/index.php?topic=24699.0)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on October 26, 2008, 10:16:37 PM
Whos was giving u a hard time.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KN00CK 0N W00D on October 27, 2008, 05:36:17 PM
No one... I just don't want to hear anyone say that stuff... It annoys me.

But I have the CG... thank you.

But is it bad to do this mod to a wired controller??? because I would like to have 2 controllers to test on.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on October 27, 2008, 11:11:34 PM
ahh ok..
yea im trying to the 555 timer that sillynuts did for his controller and trying to figure out the sleeper for it
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: jacobvbest on October 31, 2008, 07:42:50 AM
:drunk:  
LOOK FELLAS, I have been reading the posts for a while now and it seems people are having problems and issues with wiring the momentary switch to the LED or the other "reds" on the board. Well I am going to tell you the easiest way to do it. DO NOT even mess with the LED or any other place on the board!  Follow these easy steps.
1) Go to radio shack and buy a momentary switch, and nothing else.
2) dismantle the controller that you would like to use
3) remove the right rumble (as you are looking at it as it is sitting on a table with the back up)
4) cut the wires off of the rumble
5) cut the plug off of the rumble wires
6) solder those wires on to the momentary switch
7) drill a hole where the rumble was, and mount the switch
8) take one of the wires from one side of the momentary switch, and solder to the middle prong on the trigger (just like everyone else does)
9) SOLDER THE OTHER WIRE FROM THE MOMENTARY SWITCH TO THE BOARD WHERE THE RED FROM THE RUMBLE PLUG GOES THROUGH THE BOARD! (if you solder it to the black side nothing will happen when you test it. It will shoot normal. No big deal remove solder and solder to the other prong.)
10) test
11) reassemble controller and enjoy.

If you want, you can just mail me some money as props! LOL :clap: :hifive:


There you go its that simple and it will cost you a whopping......................... $2.00 !!!!!!


Thanx a bunch, I followed these steps and i made my rapid fire controller for only (GBP)£1.00.

i have a question though, does this mod have to be applied to the old style matrix controller, or does it work on the new CG controller as well?

PS - Here is a pic of my modded controller:
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Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on October 31, 2008, 08:31:52 AM
must be matrix
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: jacobvbest on October 31, 2008, 09:07:28 AM
must be matrix

thankyou, i might give the more advanced methods a go, because my Xbox elite pad is the new cg, but im really new to this  :wacko:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on October 31, 2008, 09:21:52 AM
thankyou, i might give the more advanced methods a go, because my Xbox elite pad is the new cg, but im really new to this  :wacko:

order a chip from here https://acidmods.com/ShopUSA/ that is the easiest way. and there are a few diferent options ofered by the store.

it must be a chip of some sort for RF on a cg.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: jacobvbest on October 31, 2008, 09:27:39 AM
order a chip from here https://acidmods.com/ShopUSA/ that is the easiest way. and there are a few diferent options ofered by the store.

it must be a chip of some sort for RF on a cg.

I live in england :(
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: bruceytots on December 01, 2008, 12:47:46 PM
is there any possible way to make this work on new controllers?  I ordered a few online and don't know if they are new or old versions.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on December 01, 2008, 02:21:49 PM
is there any possible way to make this work on new controllers?  I ordered a few online and don't know if they are new or old versions.

nope dude you are out of luck on the new ones, buy a chip from the acidmods store here
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: genesisdcs on December 01, 2008, 05:40:40 PM
is there any possible way to make this work on new controllers?  I ordered a few online and don't know if they are new or old versions.

This cheapo method only works on the Matrix board. You can get the older boards from GameStop used.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: nxdragon on December 03, 2008, 09:58:14 AM
I have a quick question when you say middle trigger button i can find that on the controllers motherboard but when you say LED Ground i m stuck at that part. I have all of my parts just stuck at that part. If you could help me in anyway it would be great thanks. If you could get a picture of the LED Ground and show me that would be even better. Though any help would be great.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: bruceytots on December 08, 2008, 02:02:44 PM
I'm sorry if this is completely off topic, but it has to do with what type of controller I have...
I purchased a controller that is matrix (I checked the back) but the greyish piece on the bottom of the controller is a shiny silver instead, and the X on the front is smaller than normal and the X is slightly distorted compared to my other controllers.  Why is this? Does it mean anything and could I still mod it?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on December 09, 2008, 04:18:48 AM
sounds like a cheapy controller and not an official microsoft controller. as far as can you mod it, sure, but how?? you are traviling into the world of the unknown, where things may not be what they appear, welcome to the modders twilight zone. dudududududu...lol

lol, try it and find out, unless someone has that same controller, they wont be able to tell you for sure, its just speculation. good luck, my advice, take it back spend another 5 bucks and get a true microsoft product.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: joker32774 on December 09, 2008, 10:15:53 AM
just wanted to add can you get you play with your gamer tag name on the controller after you hook it up cause i can't it will only work with player name or defalt name let know cause iam having
trouble with this thanks
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on December 09, 2008, 01:01:55 PM
just wanted to add can you get you play with your gamer tag name on the controller after you hook it up cause i can't it will only work with player name or defalt name let know cause iam having
trouble with this thanks


Dude, what the  :censored: are you talking about???? there is a preview button, please read over your post before posting, I cant help if I cant understand you
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: bruceytots on December 09, 2008, 02:45:20 PM
Is there any other point I can solder this to that will make it rapid fire no matter what player I am? Attaching it to the LED only works if the LED is on.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Steve-0 on December 10, 2008, 07:41:38 AM
thanks for the advice, i'll give that a go now, I was suprised when the LED broke the second time though because i literally touched the LED for a second.

Since the LED is a diode, it's a good idea to use a heatsink when soldering it. This can be anything that is temporarily attached to the anode and cathode of the LED to take the heat out from soldering. Usually a small piece of aluminum or some other metal works fine, but this should take care of blowing the diode.

EDIT: does it have to be a certain type of button or will any button work, I've got one of the original controllers that came with my xbox, which is about a year and a half old, and I'm thinking of modding it just for  :censored:'s and giggles
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: joker32774 on December 10, 2008, 10:38:18 AM
my fault dude. i was asking if you can use your gamertag when you play cod or gears of war with
the rapid fire controller, cause when i do it, it wont let me play with my gamertag at all just default.
please let me know.peace out.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on December 10, 2008, 01:41:17 PM
Is there any other point I can solder this to that will make it rapid fire no matter what player I am? Attaching it to the LED only works if the LED is on.

ok lets see if I can get it all in one shot.

bruceytots the answer you seek is here
ok, I have tested this method and have now proved that this method of rapid fire does infact work. you can now have no chip rapid fire on any player using the rumble RED wire.

1)cut plug off rumble
2)cut black wire as short as posible
3)solder the red wire to your momentary switch
4)solder the other end of you momentary switch to the center pin of the trigger.
5)enjoy pownage

just in case:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2ub2dakzCA

steveo if you follow my tut above, you dont have to worry about damaging the led

and joker, yes this works when you are signed into xbox live profiles. there is no way this can be the cause of your issue. I do it everyday cod4, cod5, 007, whatever.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: skizzik on December 10, 2008, 02:21:49 PM
Not sure if this is a stupid question so flame if needed but please answer
normal open or normal closed momentary switch
or does it even matter i just havent seen this issue addresed have N-O on hand

Thanks Skizzik
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: joker32774 on December 10, 2008, 02:52:49 PM
do you have to have 30 gage wire to do this. if so where can i pick some of this up.
cause i have 20 gage or 22 gage wire. thanks again
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: joker32774 on December 10, 2008, 04:27:20 PM
ok i got it working. but it only play on my mu and not my hdd can any body help
cause this  :censored: sucks  :censored: let me know peace out
joker
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on December 11, 2008, 04:40:45 AM
Not sure if this is a stupid question so flame if needed but please answer
normal open or normal closed momentary switch
or does it even matter i just havent seen this issue addresed have N-O on hand

Thanks Skizzik

actually that is one of the most intelegent questions asked on this topic EVER. it needs to be NO--normally open momentary contact switch. the only stupid question is one not asked!!!LOL


do you have to have 30 gage wire to do this. if so where can i pick some of this up.
cause i have 20 gage or 22 gage wire. thanks again

it dont have to be 30 gage wire, any wire will do


ok i got it working. but it only play on my mu and not my hdd can any body help
cause this  :censored: sucks  :censored: let me know peace out
joker

joker, please dont double post, and I am not sure if anyone can help. the issue you are having is not related to your modded controller, unless you got so much bad feed back your profile is banned. this is unlikely, as I stated I do this everyday, with no problems.

**you will not get kicked from live or anything like that for this type of mod. but the feed back system on xbox live is real, and enough bad feed back IE "cheating" will get you banned. so if enough people report you you may get a suspension, not to mention you loose those pritty little stars beside your name LOL  PEACE OUT

Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: skizzik on December 11, 2008, 07:22:03 AM
thanks matt
after trying this on 2 matrix wireless and one wired with the silver thing on the front (resistor?) I have these results:
1 non-functioning wired remote
1 wireless with no player 1 led
1 wireless with a hole in the handle
not sure what I did wrong should have taken pics but I think I will just wait a bit and get a couple of kits (I want BXR RRXYY anyway)

I used N-O switches tryed both methods rumble and LED soldering to both LED spots (the other in the middle area) and got no results
well the wired did something strange when I would push the button on COD:4 it would look down and to the right try to sight down the gun and rapidly raise the gun as if to fire but not actually fire but when the ammo was gone it would click like empty.*sigh* not sure but like i said i think the best way to go is PIC anyway
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on December 11, 2008, 07:44:48 AM
sorry you are having so much trouble with this. I am baffeled. I have done this on may controllers for friends and what not, never with any of the trouble you discribe. there are a few conditions that must be met.

1) must be a wireless microsoft matrix controller. (this has a large square main silver chip on the back or battery side of the circut board. not two smaller black ones, turned on edge like a diamond)

2)batteries must be slightly depleted. no play and charge (cable), if you lookat the xbox menu it shows battery life at the top, this will only work if atleast one bar is gone from the battery. it works off pulses from the main chip and if they are full charge, it pulses too fast.

please look at my vidio here, I am unsure if I can be any clearer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2ub2dakzCA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2ub2dakzCA) 
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: joker32774 on December 11, 2008, 10:41:22 AM
so i have to run batterys in my controller, so i can't put my charger kit in it.
and no iam not banned from xbox live, i can play with another gamertag but not
with mine. let me know if something happened to you before. thanks joker :confused:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on December 11, 2008, 11:33:31 AM
so i have to run batterys in my controller, so i can't put my charger kit in it.
and no iam not banned from xbox live, i can play with another gamertag but not
with mine. let me know if something happened to you before. thanks joker :confused:

you can use the play and charge kit, but it wont rapid fire during charging, nor will it work if it is fully charged.

as far as the gammer tag? that is the strangest thing I have ever heard of???
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: joker32774 on December 11, 2008, 01:09:06 PM
you can use the play and charge kit, but it wont rapid fire during charging, nor will it work if it is fully charged.

as far as the gammer tag? that is the strangest thing I have ever heard of???



ya i dont get it. so iam just going to buy a chip from here for 7.99 i think thats how much it is.
well thank matt peace out.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: jolyrojr on December 12, 2008, 01:15:55 AM
Hello,

Ok, so I have now read every previous post on all 16 pages of this thread.

At this point this thread is like wading through limp noodles.  It starts by talking about using the led pulse to drive rapid fire, then talks about the kit they sell, then Modded matt keeps bringing up the rumble option, which the mods already commented how it is ok but not reccamended.

So there are 3 different methods, all mixed together, with people asking questions about one and getting answers on another...
This thread should be scrapped and reorganized into a new thread.  There is a lot of great info, but its totally drowning in verbal diarea.  If the mods want me to, id like to try my hand at making a new noob proof tutorial with everything all nicely organized...

I do have a question of my own though.  The first controller I did this to worked with no problems.  The second one is giving me a hard time.  I am getting a really odd result, which I have not seen anyone mention yet:

I used the 2nd point, not directly on the led.  Right off I lost led1 function.  By moving the wire a bit I did get the rapid fire to work.  So I tape the wire in place so it can stay just right, and I lose rapid fire.  I decided to resolder the wire.  I forgot to remove the battery pack, and the second I touched the solder point the led came back.  I put the wire on, the led went out, but now when I push the rf button, I get no action at all, EXCEPT that the button now apears to turn the led on instead of firing.  In this state, the rf = dim led, rt = fire, rf held then + rt = led bright.  OH, I forgot, also several times along the way, I have had some sort of error where the rt turns the controller off completely.  While it was like that, as long as I used the rf (when it was working) I could shoot fine, but the second I touched the rt, off.  Now I have not changed anything, and the left analog stick switches between dead and always on, even when I unplug the controller, my character moves forward.

Any idea what is up with that? 

EDIT:  The controller only shuts off when I hit a button IF I have the pnc battery in, with aa's it stays on.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on December 12, 2008, 06:54:31 AM
Jollyrojr, I completely agree this thread has gotten way out of hand, it is very long and confusing!!!

there are three methods I have tested and got the same results from all. this is a crappy mod to begin with. any serious modder should know to use a pic. this is like hot wiring your car, it will get you buy but its not the proper way to start it.

this thread is for a simple way to get rapid fire. It is in my opinion, that 99% of the people who do this are noob modders. nobody with that little experience should be directed to solder to the led or to the circuit board trace, for that matter. this is why so many guys are having trouble getting this to work, they are being directed or following instructions to do something that is beyond their skill level. which is why I direct most of them to do the rumble mod, if you follow my video and instructions, nothing can go wrong. like I said I have done it using all three points. the mods here stated some pages back that its not recommended to use the rumble due to stability. I dont agree is all I will say. due to the 5th amendment!!  LOL they are half right. with other mods, no dont use the rumble for anything, but with this one, you get the same exact results using either points of contact. this mod is unstable and spastic regardless. so it dont matter. 

as for your problem. look at the underside of the point on the board you soldered to, it is directly connected to the main chip of the controller. something has bleed from one trace to another, thus shorting out the controller. when it shuts off like that it is real bad. to be honest it sounds like you have damaged the main chip, or brain if you will. your controller now has brain damage, if its operable or not is 50/50. my suggestion to you would be remove everything you have done and see if the controller operates correctly, then start over, or buy a new controller.

I hate to say it dude, but this is the exact reason if someone is going to do this mod, they should use the rumble as I show in my video two posts back. use the plug wire to go to your switch, then you only have to make one solder connection on the controller, which is the easiest center pin connection.  
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: 802Chives on December 12, 2008, 08:07:59 AM
By all means Jollyrojr, if you wish to make a new thread with more organized descriptions of the various methods for doing this rapidfire, go for it.  However, I would like you to work with modded matt as he is our expert in this modd and has taken it upon himself to make sure everyone gets it working.

What I would like to see is you guys working through PMs with this tutorial, so both of you can add to it and edit it and when both of you like what you have, post it.

Let me know if there is anything I can do to assist.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: bruceytots on December 12, 2008, 02:36:03 PM
jolyrojr...

I have noticed that if one wire to the led and the other to the first pin for the right trigger (closest pin to ABYX buttons) the LED brightens, and if the lower pin, it goes off.  Also when I press my RF button when the controller is off it will turn the LED on to a dim glow.  This is probably not the case but, check to make sure solder or wire is not touching the other two pins, only the middle pin.  Also if it touches two the LED will turn off when you press the button.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ScreamingSkulls on December 14, 2008, 12:17:51 PM
Greetings everyone.....

I've been reading this thread for the last day and decided to try this on 1 of the controllers I have.....

Now I have 100% confirmed this controller is a old version board. I went to radio shack and picked up SPST Mini (275-1548) Momentary push button switch. I soldered one wire to the #1 LED and then soldered the other wire to the middle (2nd) solder point on the right trigger. Upon completion the results were sporadic, sometimes it worked sometimes it didn't but the controller disconnected continuously.

Now I decided to change the solder points to the right solder point of the rubble motor as suggested in this thread and got the same results.

What is weird is my vision of this rapid trigger would be trigger acted as single shot and pushing the switch would activate the rapidfire. What seems to happen is the trigger does not work at all UNLESS I push the switch in then rapid fire works but doesn't stop. Sometimes it will fire without pushing any switch or trigger. It seems to have a mind of it's own soldered both ways.

Can someone explain in detail the actions this mode should create and make any suggestions based on my postings. BTW I also tried to switch the wires, not knowing if that would matter, and got the same results.

Thanks for listening, errrrrr....I mean reading.  :cool:

- Chris
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on December 15, 2008, 07:15:45 AM
first off, the switch you bought is crap be carefull not to over heat it. anytime I used these switches they fail.

as for the trigger not working and your push button firing rapid/disconecting/screen jumps sparaticly, this is what happens when the middle and bottom trigger pins are bridged together. check that and make sue the top and bottom posts are not touching at all. you are only making contact to the center pin.

when you push your button the screen should not move!! only your gun this is a sign of the bridge I spoke of above. another tell-tell is the trigger not working.

if you bridge the top and center pin it will fire on its own. 

of course to get the above results you must supply the 1.3v comming from the led, or else where, to center pin, then bridge the other conections.

I also noticed last night, that the supply side of the led reads at 3v and the discharge side reds at 1.3v. not sure how this would affect the workings yet, I would imagine greatly still testing (got sleepy and I work full time)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ScreamingSkulls on December 15, 2008, 10:50:40 AM
first off, the switch you bought is crap be carefull not to over heat it. anytime I used these switches they fail.

as for the trigger not working and your push button firing rapid/disconecting/screen jumps sparaticly, this is what happens when the middle and bottom trigger pins are bridged together. check that and make sue the top and bottom posts are not touching at all. you are only making contact to the center pin.

As expected you are very helpful....

Regarding the switch: That was the smallest switch 2 of my local radio shacks had. Can you suggest a certain model number from their site?

Regarding the trigger points: When i was soldering I did make a accidental bridge between 1 and 2 and some solder got on the board. I grabbed some desoldering braid and thought I got it all up. I'll try it again and if it doesn't help I'll grab another controller to ruin. That should make the wife happy...lol.

BTW I sent you an e-mail from your store front contact form regarding work (in case you didn't get it)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on December 15, 2008, 12:51:00 PM
for this mod, this is my choice http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062508 (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062508)  it is revy comfortable and large so you dont miss it when in a rush. it looks big, but if you drill a 1/2 hole for it it will sit very nicely. they come in red or black. I can post some installed pics tonight if you like.

BTW I sent you an e-mail from your store front contact form regarding work (in case you didn't get it)
I dont run the shop, thats king mikes dept.


***edit***
the switches I linked you to should be avail at any rat shack. they cost more though like $2.50 or 3.00 USD ea. but if you think about it, it will be worth it just in the comfort, not to mention the reliability
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ScreamingSkulls on December 16, 2008, 02:50:31 AM
I grabbed a new controller and was precise on tacking one wire to the middle trigger pin and to the red pin of the rumble connection. I had the same results with random shooting, fire trigger not working on it's own and continuously firing without pushing any buttons.

Now my other question, does this mod work with all games? I have only tested in COD:WAW. Would that have an affect on it not working properly? :confused:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on December 16, 2008, 05:18:28 AM
I grabbed a new controller and was precise on tacking one wire to the middle trigger pin and to the red pin of the rumble connection. I had the same results with random shooting, fire trigger not working on it's own and continuously firing without pushing any buttons.

Now my other question, does this mod work with all games? I have only tested in COD:WAW. Would that have an affect on it not working properly? :confused:

theres now way dude, please post pics. test the switch for continuity and make sure it is releasing when you let go of the switch.

as far as COD5 this mod will not work it is too fast. but you should not get the results you are describing.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ScreamingSkulls on December 16, 2008, 01:30:57 PM
Pictures: http://www.xperties.net/photos/v/pcs/360controller/

Larger pictures can be seen to the right by clicking on link "Full size: 2048x1536"

Testing the switch; Should I use a test light? I'll grab one of those switches you suggested but so far mod is not working, or at least tested only in COD5.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on December 16, 2008, 02:09:35 PM
Pictures: http://www.xperties.net/photos/v/pcs/360controller/

Larger pictures can be seen to the right by clicking on link "Full size: 2048x1536"

Testing the switch; Should I use a test light? I'll grab one of those switches you suggested but so far mod is not working, or at least tested only in COD5.


first off, great pics, everything looks very clean. everything appears to be in proper order. do you have a test light? or a voltage meter? I need you first test the switch, thest it just normally and wiggle it around a bit make sure it wont close on its own. then I need you to test the trigger pins. test all three pins middle to bottom, middle to top, top to bottom, none of these should have a close circut. (light on, or beep) I am scratching my head it is possible if over heated, the solder could have run under the board and making a connection under the board, betwen the board and the trigger???never heard of such, but the continuity test should tell us this.

Are you sure this is a matrix controller?

this mod will NOT work in cod 5 WAW. it is only good for uncoded games such as cod4 aw!!!! the cod 5 mod is much better, uses a pic. 
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ninjamanhunt on January 04, 2009, 10:22:11 AM
Alright,  I didn't know my controller was a CG and modded it, now the right trigger won't work at all. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on January 05, 2009, 08:22:59 AM
Alright,  I didn't know my controller was a CG and modded it, now the right trigger won't work at all. Any suggestions?

1. un mod it... try see if that fixes it.
2. it should still do something. tell me exactly what happens when you pull the trigger.
3. use a continuity tester to check continuity between the middle and bottom pins, while you are checking test the top aswell. there should be none. if you have continuity between any of these points, you have bridged the trigger pins together, the solder will need to be removed

let me know what you find during these tests, I am trying to help you fix this controller..., it may be bad and unfixable, but I will try to help you as long as you can help me. good luck
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: ninjamanhunt on January 05, 2009, 02:51:51 PM
thanks a bunch for the help. Alright, when I pull the r trigger absolutly nothing happens. The wires are not brigged for sure I tested it.  The rest of the controller works though, I have no idea what could have happened.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: majorahole on January 06, 2009, 11:43:50 AM
it there any way to add a pot or resistor or something to slow the rate to make it cod5 compatible? that was the whole reason i did this, i didnt know they capped your fire rate. then i figured i'd just use it on halo3, but i read they do the same thing. any help is appreciated
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Zepher30 on January 06, 2009, 10:48:28 PM
Anyone tried this mod on games like, BF:BC... Left 4 Dead, and Gears 2? 
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: 2009 on January 12, 2009, 10:50:46 AM
Help...my led thing came off during soldering. any other place i can solder the ground? even the 2nd spot looks very tricky. i lost the led for player 1 but the controller still works. any ideas? thanks
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: blackburn on January 12, 2009, 11:34:18 AM
people please stop using this Rapid Fire as a solution to your needs... it simply WILL NOT WORK in any game besides CoD4 effectively......
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on January 12, 2009, 12:15:54 PM
Help...my led thing came off during soldering. any other place i can solder the ground? even the 2nd spot looks very tricky. i lost the led for player 1 but the controller still works. any ideas? thanks

I think blackburn said it well enough...LOL

for the second spot you may need to lightly scrape around the hole. just very lightly scrape around it, removing the green coating. take a kitchen knife put the point in the hole and turn it. this will let the solder bond better. 

make sure you allways tin your wire before you solder to the led. or anywhere for that matter.

this is your last chance. good luck
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: dark1pro on January 14, 2009, 12:32:35 AM
frostBYTE!: This site likes to keep things legal. Please keep help us keep it that way.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on January 14, 2009, 05:45:59 AM
your controller now has brain damage i love this line out of all the posts i saw. :rofl:
any who yeah i tried it its not simple and for the faint of heart, a lot of LEDs were lost out there in the world of war fight. And on that note i figerd bucket get a grip on it and pull the trigger as fast as u can and get better at it. but for those of u that wasted a good controller i have some bit of help.
Hears what u do,


Dude, this is not good!! what you are refuring to is fraud!! its agianst the rules here, and agianst the law. at the very least expect your post to be deleted.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: dark1pro on January 14, 2009, 10:24:51 PM
 :censored: :cool: :drunk:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on January 15, 2009, 04:48:25 AM
acctually, you are wrong. once you purchase something, its yours, you own the rights to it. you can do whatever you like with it. and we can tell you how to do it. what you cant do is mod it and then sell it for profit, which you admitantly did. expect a call from the FBI LOL!! due to my freedom of speach I can tell you to do anything, due to copyright laws I cannot do it for you.

what you were refuring to is completly different. what you want to do is comit fraud, and you are not ripping off bill gates as you state, you are ripping off the point of sale. once the product gets reviewed, it will be obvious you caused it to malfunction. most stores now days require you to sign for a returned item. I understand what and why you want to do this, but it is still aginast the law. it is also over $50 so it then becomes a felony. if we condone this and you do this with our knowledge, we will become an accessory to a felony.   

it is still agianst the rules here and will not be tolerated, as you can tell...What post?? where??
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: 360 nerd on January 17, 2009, 05:07:43 AM

Hi,im unsure about something, for the LED 1 do i need 2 solder the wire touching LED 1 or near it, well you know how theres lines goin from each LED does it just have 2 be on that like between LED 1 and LED 3?Please answer back soon, i really want to do this. :beg:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on January 17, 2009, 08:47:12 AM
the line leeds to a small silver spot on the edge of the led attach it there
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: 360 nerd on January 17, 2009, 12:13:32 PM
alright thanks :tup:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: untamedcheetah on January 26, 2009, 06:15:44 AM
matt, will the rumble pack method work with fully charged bateries or a plug and play?


EDIT: also, can I use the other vibration motor so I can put the momentary switch on that side?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on January 26, 2009, 08:01:35 AM
you can use either rumble and get the same effect.

and no this mod, however you chose to do it will only work with slightly depleted batteries, this is due to the led pulsing being too high with new batteries and the play and charge kit.

this mod reallly sucks, please think about using a 555 or a pic
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: untamedcheetah on January 26, 2009, 11:05:37 AM
I don't have much soldering experience, so I was trying to keep that to a minimum to avoid an epic fail that would short the whole board...

I have seen a 555 method, but "pic"?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on January 26, 2009, 11:10:51 AM
yea, "pic" or "microchip" same

programed
interuptable
circut

Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: untamedcheetah on January 27, 2009, 05:01:19 PM
Is this method supposed to disable the right trigger or did I burn something out unsoldering my mistake?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on January 28, 2009, 04:48:54 AM
you have a solder bridge between the top and center pin. or you have conected to the center pin

you have done something wrong, please post clear pictures of your solder joints
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: xhris on February 01, 2009, 06:06:29 PM
here

(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi167.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fu136%2Fkingmike_001%2Ftest.jpg&hash=ffea7938cee08e1c8c65ea4d007fa67a1d68b9f6)

Question about this picture. How do you attach the wire to the middle point? Solder doesn't seem to work and hot glue don't seem to hold either. I lost my LED is the reason I am using the middle point now.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on February 02, 2009, 04:32:47 AM
well, here goes, you already lost the led, so you cant do too much more dammage, LOL

take a normal steak knife, stick the point in the hole, dont push and dig in just stick it in there and spin it around, this will slightly peel back some of the green paint.

tin your wire and solder it to that hole.

hot glue will only hold a wire in place, it will not close the connection
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: xhris on February 02, 2009, 08:22:57 AM
HAHAHA no I can't do to much more damage. I guess next time I wont try and solder while on my pain pill.

I will try your suggestion above.

Thanks.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on February 02, 2009, 08:24:38 AM
I believe if you read the label it will tell you something to that affect LOL

you could also do this using the rumble pack method.
cut the rumbe off its plug, wire the red wire to your switch, disregard the black, wire the other end of the switch to the center trigger pin
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: xhris on February 02, 2009, 08:29:49 AM
LOL yeah it has it printed right on the side of the bottle. :)

I had that method done for a while but it wasn't ever reliable. Sometimes it would work good and sometimes it wouldn't. It might shoot 2 or 3 rounds then it might go crazy and shoot rapid fire. That is why I wanted to try this.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on February 02, 2009, 10:30:28 AM
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you are going to get the same affect by doing it this ways aswell, you may get slightly better results, but it will still be unreliable and sparatic.

this is what you need to do, if you dont want to buy from the AM shop. go to radio shack and build this, you will be glad you did. this can be adjusted for many other games alsohttps://www.acidmods.com/forum/index.php?topic=25338.0 (https://www.acidmods.com/forum/index.php?topic=25338.0)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: DarkZero266 on February 02, 2009, 03:51:39 PM
lol i had the same problem of getting it to stick so i ripped out the led and used the positive end XD   

awesome tutorial btw. in cod4 my desert eagle shoots like an mp5 :laughing:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on February 03, 2009, 05:58:59 AM
come on dude, we are trying to better our controllers, not destroy them, if you tin the wire before going to the led this is actually very simple.

15 watt soldering iron. fine tip is prefured
clean sober stedy hands

if you dont have those two things dont even think about it
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: tutata on February 03, 2009, 09:54:46 AM
come on dude, we are trying to better our controllers, not destroy them, if you tin the wire before going to the led this is actually very simple.

15 watt soldering iron. fine tip is prefured
clean sober stedy hands

if you dont have those two things dont even think about it
LOL nice responce.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Ozzi56 on February 04, 2009, 04:50:09 PM
Hey, i did this mod for a fun, easy project and it worked out great!

Also: i demo'd it in COD5, and IMO, it works. My pistol shoots like a freicking machine gun.

It doesn't work in Halo thou :( i guess ill have to try a different mod for that.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Cmoore on February 04, 2009, 09:31:20 PM
I have done this mod and the controller works for the first clip, fires really fast (full clip in a second for the gewher in COD5), but the next clip fires a full clip in about 4 seconds. its really weird.  although it works for COD4.  Anyone know if there another way to do a rf for COD5 other than the pic or 555 way. thx
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: wilson08 on February 05, 2009, 02:12:10 AM
I have done this mod and the controller works for the first clip, fires really fast (full clip in a second for the gewher in COD5), but the next clip fires a full clip in about 4 seconds. its really weird.  although it works for COD4.  Anyone know if there another way to do a rf for COD5 other than the pic or 555 way. thx
No, there isn't a way without a chip... CoD5 is patched so the rapid fire has to be timed, and below the limit.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on February 05, 2009, 09:24:45 AM
yea i prefer just going with the chip cuz if you dnt and use the cheapy way with just the wiring the led ground the middle pin of the trigger it work for about a month it actually wears and doesnt work after. happened couple times so chip is better and its not that hard to make.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Random11 on February 07, 2009, 09:56:47 PM
Hey, First time on this forum as a registered user. I did this mod with my old matrix 360 controller, i actually ruined two of the led's and the pad with corresponds with the two  :boxed: but not a biggy. I used the rumble idea modded matt had. was sufficient for my gaming needs. But now after i have reassembled my controller it constantly is disconnecting from my 360  :wacko: only when i hit a button. Not the "A" button, any in general.... Any ideas guys?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: wilson08 on February 08, 2009, 03:28:17 AM
Hey, First time on this forum as a registered user. I did this mod with my old matrix 360 controller, i actually ruined two of the led's and the pad with corresponds with the two  :boxed: but not a biggy. I used the rumble idea modded matt had. was sufficient for my gaming needs. But now after i have reassembled my controller it constantly is disconnecting from my 360  :wacko: only when i hit a button. Not the "A" button, any in general.... Any ideas guys?
Un-solder everything, then look to see if there is any solder splashes on the board!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on February 08, 2009, 07:22:24 AM
is it disconecting (sinc) or is it shutting down? (power)

either way wison is right, check for solder splashes
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on February 09, 2009, 08:42:23 AM
yea something is touching something double check around the controller.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Random11 on February 09, 2009, 09:25:56 PM
hey yeah thanks guys, it was just the casing after reassembly was too tight on the reconnect button of the controller, so when it got any kind of electrical input or even the slightest budge it went off. DURRR lol my bad. I do however have another question. If anyone has the link to a AWSOME breadboard assembly tutorial for a nice rapid fire with a potentiometer i would greatly appreciate it. THANKSSS
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: xboxerman on February 12, 2009, 10:25:02 AM
hi guys this is my first login and post
first of all good forum u got goin here

and now my problem i have modded my xbox controller as shown in the beginning of this  tut. but i did not know there was a new and old type of controller ,  so guess what ... i have the newer cg version contr. and after modding my contr  the " rapid fire " button shoots like normal trigger :) 

my question is is there any any way to mod the newer cg contr. without the chip ?  coz  im in suriname and the parts are rare to find here , ( we dont have radio shack or what u call it )

i had to look for some days to find a push button  lol

i only play halo 3   so if there is a mod for the cg controller , i would really apreciate it if someone could help me out here :)

ps: srry for the long  maybe boring posts
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on February 12, 2009, 11:00:43 AM
for the cg controller this must be done with a chip that you can buy here:https://acidmods.com/ShopUSA/ (https://acidmods.com/ShopUSA/) check with king mike to see if he will ship to you though.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: xboxerman on February 12, 2009, 11:43:27 AM
darn it
it's not possible for me to get that coz the costs go up to high eg. if i buy something in usa for $40 with all the fee's  it easy goes up to 90 bucks or more so that is why i was looking to make a simple mod  ,  what is the rumble pack mod??
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on February 13, 2009, 04:38:07 AM
no! for a cg you MUST have a chip, of some kind. find an older matrix controller, or save some money. I am building a 555 timer to update the TUT this weekend I can post it to you when I am done? I dont need it, it is just for demonstration, so it will cost nothing but postage. if your intrested send me a pm, and I am not sure your country's customs will let it come through or not. thats your risk not mine. all contries are diferent. Ireland will let it come in, but wont deliver it in the post they must go and get it. but other countries will deliver it to your door, no questions asked LOL 
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: xboxerman on February 14, 2009, 11:25:44 AM
i do have a friend in miami who could maybe send it to me but i think he would be mad if he knew i wanted to mod my controller ( i usually play agains him online heheh:))

and how much do the matrix controllers cost??

i also have a wired controller that i tried to mod  ( where one wire goes to the ground pin of the rumble pack and the other to the midle  of the three pins ) bt it goes all strange works sometimes but usually just throws a grenade or something weird  LOL well i'll try to find a matrix controller this week if not ill ask my bud if he would be able to send to me k
thx
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: chicoloco on February 15, 2009, 02:24:08 PM
can someone post a link or links to where i can get these items because i simply cant find them please help i am starting to give up :help:  :beg: :help: :beg:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: blackburn on February 15, 2009, 07:34:49 PM
radioshack
mouser
frys (local here)

but please just buy a chip from the AcidMods store, this method is useless now days, and youll be supporting the website.....
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on February 22, 2009, 12:48:19 PM
thats what i been saying every time i see ppl post on this forum.
Title: Crap
Post by: JKLAZ on March 11, 2009, 04:03:03 PM
**disregard that.


Im doing this mod today and ill see how it goes
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: a killa jew on April 12, 2009, 04:29:03 PM
i am trying this mod right now, but i do not have a tp3 controller or i do not know exactly where it is

is there anyway to mod the controller without a tp3 controller
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on April 16, 2009, 11:15:15 AM
no it wont this for 360 controller not tp3
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: triggerihappy on April 20, 2009, 01:22:03 PM
Ok so this is my first post, it looked pretty simple but i'm having trouble with it. it's my first time modding a controller but i can't get the button to do anything.

i've soldered to what i think is the right spot, not sure if i did it right or if it's just the button i used but.. i took pictures in case any of you guys can help me out. thnx alot.


(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.tinypic.com%2F2ik4igh.jpg&hash=5c5f77635d295cb60050deaa83cdacbe3d1ab548)
(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi39.tinypic.com%2Ffmnh9k.jpg&hash=62e9759a81c309581b2e8f785b9ff9b718c9584d)
(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi43.tinypic.com%2Fjhpif7.jpg&hash=4c5f3f8a6dc69a8c62372646d8670b56583549b2)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on April 20, 2009, 01:24:45 PM
the one for the ground almost look like its not attached
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: triggerihappy on April 20, 2009, 01:26:25 PM
it isnt, i just put it there for the picture, was about to try a new button and re solder but i didn't want to reuin a paddle so i posted on here.

any idea what im doing wrong? :X
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on April 20, 2009, 01:59:39 PM
oh ok
well i see u soldered a wire to the rumble back so what is that wire attached to
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: triggerihappy on April 20, 2009, 02:35:00 PM
i took it all apart, new button (different type) and re-soldered what i already had. the rumble is only connected to the left silver thing.. lol

but i tried the paddle and now the button i installed works but it only shoots once and i saw on a previous post that also happened with someone else so im gonna look so solder spots in a little, but if any1 could tell me the easiest way to remove them without damaging the paddle.
thanks again
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: triggerihappy on April 20, 2009, 03:35:45 PM
Ok, so i looked for solder spots, found none. where i soldered the red and black wire from the rumble; i have the red on the left and the black on the right, should i have either the red or black wire soldered to the paddle its self?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on April 20, 2009, 10:35:54 PM
y u messing with the rumbe ur trying to get rapid fire right and what kind of controller do u have cg or matrix
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on April 21, 2009, 04:20:45 AM
there is no reason for the last six posts. by looking at your first pic. I have spoted your problem right away. a good modder should have seen it also.. you have a CG controller!! it is not going to work. to do this mod you must have a matrix controller. for that controller, you must look into buying a chip, or a premod. looking at the heat damage at the #1 LED I sugest you buy a premodded controller. try the radio shack 555 mod. or go to our free code section and learn to program a chip. 
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PomerJoN on April 26, 2009, 01:22:02 PM
I did this mod and found it easier to solder to the rumble motor ground, but im having a problem. Is shoots rapid fire but on its own if i hold the push switch it stops and when i let off it it starts again. What could it be?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on April 26, 2009, 02:21:05 PM
this is becouse the switch you are using is wrong, it is wired normaly closed. you need it normaly open. if using a tack switch that has four legs,  use only two of the legs, and use two that are beside each other not on top of each other. does that make since? I dont know how better to say it.

if you are usiong one of these, move one wire, and put it beside the other.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PomerJoN on April 26, 2009, 02:33:11 PM
ok thanks man, i just now saw on the package it said N.C. contacts, which i now know means normally open. Ok ill have to get ones that say N.O. right?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Dcofer on April 26, 2009, 04:03:19 PM
Ok so im thinking of trying this because I happen to have one of these older style controllers but what I dont know is a) what size and type of driver i need to get the controller apart, and b) do you have to have the triggers wired up to the LED that is currently on or does it matter? I am not sure if the PWM works while the led is off say im player 4 but im hooked up to the player 1 LED, will the trigger still work?.

Im sure the answers are somewhere in the post but 18 pages is a lot to read >.<
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on April 27, 2009, 06:09:07 AM
Dcofer, first of all this mod sucks....I advise agianst doing this, but if you insist...
a security t9 tip, or a small jewlers flat head screwdriver will get it open

yes, you must use the active led, or use the rumble pack. the rumble pack maty hezitate for a slight second, but will work for all players, most people dont notice the diference
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on April 27, 2009, 10:44:40 PM
srry i didnt pay attention to the pics i was really tired that day
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: avenger09123 on May 06, 2009, 01:56:55 PM
Alrighty, so I tried this out, I have the old-pre HDMI xbox and one of the original wired controllers. I saw how yall did it, and did the same thing, same connections, had my ohmeter make sure I was getting volts/amps out of the led when it was turned on and then I just touched the wire to the middle one and it didn't work, all it did was reset the controller. I touched the bottom one and it fired, but it also forced my character to go in circles and look upwards for some reason. So lucky me I go back and redo the soldering, cleaned it up and under a magnifying glass just made sure none of my connects on the board were crossed and everything was golden, then I got my meter out and hooked up to the first and second steady just under 10v, even squeezing the trigger it didn't change, however the connection between the first and third changed when I squeezed the trigger and voltage dropped....so basically this can't be done with a first gen wired controller at least the easy way shown here...
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on May 06, 2009, 04:02:30 PM
this cannot be used on any wired controller, first gen or not. and if you are getting 10v something is way wrong. the led is giving 5v the center pin wired or not is a wiper, and should be around 2.5 normmaly so max you should read is 7.5 if you are getting 10v it sounds like you are bridged to the top pin.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: radddogg on May 06, 2009, 04:07:03 PM
Ok, I thought I'd try this on an old broken controller (one of the thumbsticks is mangled). I used the button off the right bumper and wired as show. The soldering is clean and the led works fine but it doesn't work. What happens is I press the button and nothing happens until I release the button and then it fires a single shot. I've tried all manner of battery combinations but still the same result, and yes it is a matrix pad.

Also, is there a continual ground point on the matrix wireless as I have a mod chip for my wired which earths to a ground point but I can't get it to work on my wired as there is no ground.

Cheers guys.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Ben. on May 11, 2009, 12:13:05 AM
Could someone give me a link to the ideal switch.. Thanks :D
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: axelbeam on May 14, 2009, 11:03:29 PM
is there any way to do this for both triggers
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on May 15, 2009, 05:03:08 AM
never tried, but I'm sure it would work as good as the rest of these mods. use the rumbles though, I personally would not solder both triggers to the LED, thats just me
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: axelbeam on May 15, 2009, 10:41:35 AM
i'll give it a shot and let everyone know
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: axelbeam on May 16, 2009, 10:10:54 AM
haven't been able to try it yet my daugter got a hold of my controller and ripped the wires and led out now i can't find the led could you guys tell me what size and type the are so i can replace it
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on May 17, 2009, 08:08:46 AM
0603 smt led. it is the size of an "E" on a dime LOL if the wire ripped it out the solder pad is probably gone..that sucks..uniqueled.com has them cheap and quick... you shouldnt need it to play LOL

GOOD LUCK
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Ben. on May 17, 2009, 02:08:00 PM
What Are The PERFECT SWITCHES For This?

Link?

Thanks :tup:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on May 18, 2009, 05:23:37 AM
well, for a sleeper design (top secrets here!!) you can use one of these:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3060978 (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3060978) pry the trigger assemly slightly off the controller mobo and push this under the nucke. so when you slightly push the trigger, its normal fire, but when you pull it all the way its rapid fire.

or use one of these:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062508 (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062508)  they are big and feel nice and smooth, drill a half inch hole and insert from the outside of the controller, screw on retaining colar from inside. they work great.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Ben. on May 18, 2009, 06:13:05 AM
Thanks Matt.. :D
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on May 18, 2009, 08:58:02 AM
no problem ben, I seem to have missed where you asked this a few posts back, sorry. feel free to pm me or you can reach me at the chat room from 12:00pm to 1:00pm EST if you need a quick responce next time I over look your post.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Ben. on May 18, 2009, 09:00:56 AM
Haha.. Don't worry about it, Is There any other types of switches, cheaper, smaller maybe..?

Thanks..
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: wilson08 on May 18, 2009, 02:52:17 PM
Haha.. Don't worry about it, Is There any other types of switches, cheaper, smaller maybe..?

Thanks..
any "push to make" / "non-locking switch" will work :)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: GISJason on May 20, 2009, 07:31:42 PM
Wow this is a huge ass thread....
 Ya'll rock for makin this tut!

I just finally got my matrix wireless controller done... Now I wanna test... But It doesn't seem like Halo 3 does anything but the switch acts like a 2nd button as long as I hold it down?? Rapid fire just like the norm other shootin button in H3  :eyebrow: Also it fires just a shot when I hit the switch just once... Is this normal behavior? Or Is it actually already patched not to work on H3? If so then what other games can I test it out on and see if there's any difference....

Thanks!!!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Jumbo on May 20, 2009, 07:55:46 PM
I think mike said you need to use Fresh batteries, not play and charge ones so make sure ur doing that. It might be the solder joint too.

And Matt, isnt that wat evil controllers does? lol
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: GISJason on May 20, 2009, 11:30:23 PM
uh is that a reply to my post?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on May 21, 2009, 12:44:24 PM
Jason, this mod works only when certin criteria are met, your batteries CAN NOT be fresh. they must be slightly depleted. if they are fresh, you get one shot. if you pull up your menu it shows battery charge, you must be missing atleast one bar of battery life for this to work. this is becouse when the batteries are full, the pwm is so fast the controller reads it as  a trigger hold.
and I have not tested, but I believe if you look back through the thread, play and charge dont work when it is charging. or fully charged. play and charge pack should work, but only after the first bar is gone..

hope that helps.

yes jumbo, but nobody ever talks about it. I posted it in a thread a few months ago.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Kirby on May 23, 2009, 03:39:51 PM
I am a noob but I am okay with doing this.
Ive got everything ready to do this but JUST in case, I thought I would get some genuine advice, ignorantly I got out both my rumble packs, not knowing I may of needed them, I still have the little white bit but binned the actual pack and their white bit.

Am I screwed now or could I still use the white part on the motherboard if needs be?

If all else fails I think I am good to go!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on May 23, 2009, 03:44:54 PM
You don't need the rumble... That's really common sense.

Also, this mod sucks. It's pointless. If you're a noob, I'm guessing you didn't even bother checking that you had the correct controller model? Or even read through the whole topic to realize this mod rarely even works properly?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Kirby on May 23, 2009, 04:18:18 PM
I am a noob in the sense of using this site and looking through this entire topic, sorry.
I will be doing the mod on Thursday and if anything it will be fun to do!

So all I would need anyway would be the white thing on the motherboard?
But I think my controller is okay and is the right one.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Kirby on May 23, 2009, 04:25:30 PM
(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.360-hq.com%2Fimages%2Ftutorials%2Fuploads%2Fea44ad7b271eddf9bb978a922f602a813c40a24e.jpg&hash=b24ac69c23442bcbb2d70c6c140284c37e356d13)

Where the number 1 is, is that where I should solder? Or actually on the other end of the black line? I dont understand this images meaning that well, thanks!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on May 24, 2009, 03:05:41 PM
kirby, you can use either point, the one at the #1 or at the other end of the black line, you pick.

tip:
at the other end of the line, (at the LED) is easier, but the spot at the #1 is safer.

at the end of the line,(LED) put the solder on the wire and touch the iron two it.
where the #1 is you must use the end of a knife to scrape away some of the green around the hole so the solder will stick.

good luck, if your controller has that big silver thing in the center as shown in your pic, you have the correct controller.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Kirby on May 25, 2009, 11:50:06 AM
Hey thanks Matt, I know you're a mod and everything but thanks for some great help! :huh:
I look forward to Thursday, I am really considering other mods on the controller too now.

ONE MORE THING:
Is this the correct wire, I think it is but hey, better to be safe then sorry. And as most of you here are American I assume you would know better then a a Brit who doesnt get these things...

http://tinyurl.com/wireIneed (http://tinyurl.com/wireIneed)


please dont doubl;e post use this to edit your last post please--------------->
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on May 26, 2009, 04:23:29 AM
that wire is fine.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Kirby on May 27, 2009, 10:12:14 AM
Hey, financial reasons have made it impossible for me to buy the wire I so despetately need, however I have found my old PS2 controller, would the wires found in that be any good?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on May 27, 2009, 12:26:06 PM
I am not sure of what wire is in a ps2 controller, I thought they only use ribbon cable???

any wire will do as long as it is small enough and has a good coating. try a usb cable.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SafeBendyStraw on June 05, 2009, 09:10:28 PM
Ok, Bendy just got a fantastic IDEA for users with newer controllers.  Hold on to your hats because the genius of this might make your brain fly from your cranium.

This will get a little ugly ascetically and will drain the whole clip

You get a red button momentary switch, and wire it up as you would on one of the older controllers, except instead of an led ground, hook it up to a common ground.  From what I know about electronics (nil) and what I've read on this thread, it should only fire one time if pressed.  The solution? press it over and over.  How would you do that?  Instead of pointing the switch toward the outside, why not point it towards the rumble motor?  Push the trigger once, rumble engages and presses the switch until it runs out of ammo.  Would this work, or not?

EDIT: you could add another switch and connect the motor to it so instead of draining the whole clip, you tap the control for the rumble motor, which acts as I said before.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on June 06, 2009, 05:42:36 AM
lol.. welcome to acidmods bendy..I am not sure about how you describe what you want but this is the place to dream it up, lets see a working prototype.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: SafeBendyStraw on June 06, 2009, 12:56:27 PM
There are a few things that I need to clarify before I attempt this.

Is the right trigger a negative edge trigger or a positive edge trigger, and do I need a resistor for this?. ~so I connect it correctly to either ground or hot * I noticed that the right trigger ingeniously turns a potentiometer in order to achieve pressure sensitive play, so this question may be less valid
Do the rumble motors take full voltage from the controller or do I need to run a resistor though them, and if so can anyone give me an ohm reading. ~I obviously don't want to destroy my motors

EDIT a little higher up the page, someone calls this mod "useless" but I believe I can use the concept even on newer controllers (by the way I checked my controller model, and I'm what YOU would call a noob) to achieve an undetectable mod.  Its even better than electrical means as the motor would not achieve a uniform firing speed and therefore would most likely not be reported as easily
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Ghost In Black on June 07, 2009, 10:55:38 PM
That does sound like an interesting idea. Too bad I've never gotten used to the feel of extra buttons :(
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Hazer on June 08, 2009, 07:58:22 AM
Actually, this has been done before. You hotglue the tactile inside the controller at just the right height for the rumble to hit it. I have seen pictures somewhere of this being done.

But guess what. How many times can that metal wieght hit the top of a tactile switch before it wears the plastic down to the point it no longer presses down anymore? Not very many.

Also, what speed does this work at? Not anything consistant. So what games would it work on? COD 4 only.

Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Ghost In Black on June 08, 2009, 09:37:46 AM
Lol yeah I think I made 2 cotnrollers using the no chip method, found out it wasn't worth it, and from then on used a pic chip.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: tefftb on June 12, 2009, 09:54:17 AM
does anyone know the value of the r21 resistor? my son tried to solder to the actual r21 resistor. now there is nothing there. when we insert the battery pack, the controller won't turn on. no lights. nothing. i am hopeful that if we replace the r21, we can salvage the controller.
thanx.

Post Merge: June 12, 2009, 10:19:28 AM
on a separate controller from my post above, we were successfully able to mod for rapidfire. it works great for COD4 if not on live. it is single fire on live. thoughts as to why?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on June 12, 2009, 02:43:39 PM
it doesnt make since for it to work not on live and work of line..99% of the time when people get this result, they have tried to mod a CG controller. or they have full batteries.

as for the question of the r21 resistor...I think you may be confused..please post a pic of your controller. I am looking at the matrix, and what I see is D21..but this is not a resistor it is the #1 LED. are the solder pads still there? the controller should function without it, you just wont know it is on..to replace it you must oreder it online, you need a 0603 smd led might as well change them all to a color you like. if your controller wont work at all, make sure itis not shorted out at this led..

like I said take pictures so I can help further.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: yosaji on June 14, 2009, 03:13:31 PM
This looks amazing, so in turn I had to try it out. I have never soldered before so I just taught myself yesterday over the course of 8 hours, Made a few wires that worked well for the audio on my computer and figured it was time to try this. I have soldered on the ground for the LED and the middle pin trigger, hooked both up to a 3A 125 toggle, started it up and tried it with a random game. No Luck. I have re soldered both connections several dozen times thinking I have not made a full circuit, Still nothing. Controller still works perfect, and yes its the same as what is necessary (verified by looking at the serial to the right of the right analog on your video and mine, both match up)

I have also tried the other Ground in the middle of the diagram, No Luck. What could I be missing?


Thank you for any and all help, Much Appreciated.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: F4thAcE on June 15, 2009, 06:34:03 PM
is the large silver thinge on the front or the back of the controller?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KRAY0N on June 16, 2009, 02:20:50 PM
I actually  saw this tutroial today early this a.m. while at work> I was so anxious to get home,I suddenly came down with diarhea(sp). Went home pulled out my old soldering parts tool box. And went to work on mine..... MAN YOU ARE EFFF'NG BAD ASS. It friggin worked like a charm. I did place my button under the right trigger so its easier to access. MAN THANKS A LOT and keep hacking away brothers. ACID MODS KICK ARSE MAN!!!!!!


Post Merge: June 16, 2009, 02:25:54 PM
is the large silver thinge on the front or the back of the controller?


The large silver thing in on the TOP portion of the controller. Its closer to the RIGHT THUMB STICK( to the left and up)

Post Merge: June 16, 2009, 02:27:35 PM
This looks amazing, so in turn I had to try it out. I have never soldered before so I just taught myself yesterday over the course of 8 hours, Made a few wires that worked well for the audio on my computer and figured it was time to try this. I have soldered on the ground for the LED and the middle pin trigger, hooked both up to a 3A 125 toggle, started it up and tried it with a random game. No Luck. I have re soldered both connections several dozen times thinking I have not made a full circuit, Still nothing. Controller still works perfect, and yes its the same as what is necessary (verified by looking at the serial to the right of the right analog on your video and mine, both match up)

I have also tried the other Ground in the middle of the diagram, No Luck. What could I be missing?


Thank you for any and all help, Much Appreciated.

Are you sure u have the correct version of the controller CG & CL will not work with this mod.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: yosaji on June 16, 2009, 08:06:10 PM
I understand that but as I said I verified by looking at the video and my motherboard matches the numbers that they have
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KRAY0N on June 16, 2009, 09:23:40 PM
I understand that but as I said I verified by looking at the video and my motherboard matches the numbers that they have

Well then I guess your stuck like chuck. My controller works PERFECT!!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on June 17, 2009, 04:56:25 AM
yosaji, post a picture of the front and the back of your mother board please
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: mvpsean on June 19, 2009, 08:58:44 AM
Hey guys. Excellent site you have and thanks for all your hardwork. I have an interesting problem. I am trying to make a rapidfire controller to use with COD WAW. I have followed all the instructions, I have the matrix type, etc, etc. I decided that I would manually test this out before I started soldering and I ran into a problem. The gun will only rapidfire for the first time I shoot in any round online. Even more interesting, on automatic guns with large clips, it will make them fire fast for about 1 second and then the gun just slowly releases one bullet at a time. I cannot even release 1 bullet at a time with the gun with my own finger.

My only reasoning is that I have bad wiring? I bought new stuff though and it works the first time in every round, then I have to restart the round to get it to work the first time again.

Any ideas? Thanks.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on June 20, 2009, 01:54:08 PM
welcome to acidmods sean, there is nothing wrong with you work. the mod you have completed is working exactly as designed, its the game that has a problem, what is happening is a patch for the game released by treyarch to stop rapid fire controllers in WAW. you will notice that your resoults will be different in another game. the only way to use rapid fire in WAW is through precice timming and this must be done using a programed chip. 
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: KRAY0N on June 20, 2009, 05:41:40 PM
Whats a good rapid fire mod to use online?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on June 20, 2009, 05:52:27 PM
for cod4 the opensource code here will do a nice job.. for waw I have yet to see one LOL
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Ghost In Black on June 20, 2009, 07:04:46 PM
If you play WaW mostly then the best you can do is basically not even bother making a mod. You have to set the fire rate really slow; you can probably pull faster with your finger.
If you want, you can take the time to learn C++ or Assembly and write your own code for CoW: WaW using a pic chip, but that takes time and practice.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: DeadlyInstinct on June 21, 2009, 02:04:24 PM
just wanted to be clear - i have the matrix model:

(https://acidmods.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg20.imageshack.us%2Fimg20%2F6664%2Funbenanntjdb.th.png&hash=00ef1deb7ac69c5d79c4626cf3d9966052f56e47) (http://img20.imageshack.us/i/unbenanntjdb.png/)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on June 21, 2009, 03:02:08 PM
as long as you have the matrix controller that will work for cod4 with mid ranged battery life.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: mvpsean on June 22, 2009, 07:42:27 AM
Thanks Matt, I figured it had something to do with the patch but I wanted to double check. Even though the patch screwed it up, it was pretty fun anyways. (First hardware mod)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: DaaaNkIzPr0 on July 02, 2009, 07:15:10 AM
I know I have the matrix style controller but I'm not sure if I have a resistor or not? Inside of the battery hole to the bottom left it says TP3. Am I in the clear or do I have the wrong controller for this?
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: johnlib on July 03, 2009, 05:52:37 AM
:drunk: 
LOOK FELLAS, I have been reading the posts for a while now and it seems people are having problems and issues with wiring the momentary switch to the LED or the other "reds" on the board. Well I am going to tell you the easiest way to do it. DO NOT even mess with the LED or any other place on the board!  Follow these easy steps.
1) Go to radio shack and buy a momentary switch, and nothing else.
2) dismantle the controller that you would like to use
3) remove the right rumble (as you are looking at it as it is sitting on a table with the back up)
4) cut the wires off of the rumble
5) cut the plug off of the rumble wires
6) solder those wires on to the momentary switch
7) drill a hole where the rumble was, and mount the switch
8) take one of the wires from one side of the momentary switch, and solder to the middle prong on the trigger (just like everyone else does)
9) SOLDER THE OTHER WIRE FROM THE MOMENTARY SWITCH TO THE BOARD WHERE THE RED FROM THE RUMBLE PLUG GOES THROUGH THE BOARD! (if you solder it to the black side nothing will happen when you test it. It will shoot normal. No big deal remove solder and solder to the other prong.)
10) test
11) reassemble controller and enjoy.

If you want, you can just mail me some money as props! LOL :clap: :hifive:


There you go its that simple and it will cost you a whopping......................... $2.00 !!!!!!
Hi Im Fairly new to this and i just had one question
9) SOLDER THE OTHER WIRE FROM THE MOMENTARY SWITCH TO THE BOARD WHERE THE RED FROM THE RUMBLE PLUG GOES THROUGH THE BOARD!
do i rip out the white thing that holds the rumble wires in place or do i solder the wire onto the little pin on the inside of that?
a picture could help i can't watch videos with this computer.
thank you
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on July 03, 2009, 06:10:44 AM
just solder it to the red wire, or the top of the pin, I would not rip it out
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: johnlib on July 03, 2009, 04:59:37 PM
ahh i see after re reading the directions i now understand. thanks for clearing that up matt.
i will try this out once i find my soldering stuff.


edit: well this was my first attempt to solder anything. Its a semi-working. i have only had time to test it with a full battery and with that only my pistols will rapid fire but my primary guns fire at a slower rate. hopefully it works when the battery is a little drained.
im just glad i have learned to solder and it worked!
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Gamer224 on July 27, 2009, 11:00:37 AM
Does it only work on the tp3 controllers
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: PspKicks316 on July 27, 2009, 11:31:34 AM
It only works on the old wireless controllers.
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on July 27, 2009, 02:27:24 PM
as kicks stated, I dont know where the tp3 type came from, but thismod only works on MATRIX style controllers. look here to see if you have a matrix controller.
https://www.acidmods.com/forum/index.php?topic=24699.0 (https://www.acidmods.com/forum/index.php?topic=24699.0)
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: deathshells on October 01, 2009, 06:01:51 PM
... WIN! lol i tried using this, tis very useful and i certainly benefited from it... new of it loooong back but my soldering skills were bad then and it kept coming undone for some reason... just replaced e 4 led's in the ring of light on the controller... at 1.45 in the morning. god im so tired! :tup:  :rofl:
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: JustWerkIt on October 04, 2009, 01:54:13 AM
Great mod. Now i feel stupid for spending $20 on supplies for the 555 rapid fire for my other controller
Title: Re: New Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: GhoSt on October 04, 2009, 02:39:32 AM
don't worry your money is not wasted the 555 method is much better than this one, plus you can vary the fire rate.
Title: Re: Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: mastapsp on August 09, 2010, 08:11:16 PM
next time don't post something like this, too many people cant accept reality and are too amazed by something simple.
folks: your reactions to this show your stupidity.
Title: Re: Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: hoboman965 on January 26, 2011, 08:50:53 AM
I just found this site, and made an account just for this. I am planning to do this to my and many of my friends controllers. I have all the supplies already, and have figured out how to check if they are new or old wireless. I just have some questions that i would really like to get answered.
1. Does this mod only work with the old Matrix and CG, or just Matrix?
2. Did anyone figure out/ find a way to achieve rapid fire mod with a new wireless?
3. If there are any other things/ updated things on this subject please tell me, as im an very new and uninformed.

Thank you all for your time.
Title: Re: Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on January 26, 2011, 10:50:49 AM
first off welcome to acidmods. u have come to the right place. this topic is very old and outdated. but i can still help you.

to answer your questions:
1 only matrix
2 yes there a few free options and more paid options. i can show you both
3 see 2 lol


in order to have rapidfire for all controllers you need to use either a 555 timer circuit or a programed microcontroller. but please don't let this scare you off. they are both easy to learn and there are tutorials on this sit that will help.'


i suggest for best results create your own new thread and ask for help with rapid fire. that way it will be specific to your needs and i/we can help you more personably.

we have a lot of great people here egar to help. acidmods i a great online community as well as resource.

thread closed.
Title: Re: Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Bruno on December 11, 2014, 04:54:19 AM
Is it possible to be done with the "B" button? How?
Title: Re: Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Blazinkaos on January 27, 2015, 01:04:31 AM
Anything is possible as long as its programmed and set up correctly to specs.
Title: Re: Rapid Fire Method (No Chip)
Post by: Modded Matt on January 27, 2015, 12:45:19 PM
LOL this is older than alot of our users.... thread locked.
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